01SS - Restored Project underway!

[OVRKILL]

Thats not an empty update, not exactly good news time wise. But cool to hear there going to offer something up. Im intrigued.

Nope...timing sucks. Given the holidays and reality...I'd be surprised if it was done by the end of January

One more little morsel still in the works.....

[Lucky SOB]

Can I come to Florida?

[jetice]

Well, this should be interesting. I wonder if your going to get the extra 100hp that Darren predicted

[OVRKILL]

Can I come to Florida?

You bet....might need a designated driver once or twice

Well, this should be interesting. I wonder if your going to get the extra 100hp that Darren predicted

Though he wont admit it, I cant help to think Shawn has worked out a target number with those guys. I know it'll be a little bigger....will spin a few more rpm's (still wont go past 7k though)....will definately be an improvement but nothing earth shattering. Its the new lobe design he's after and Crane wants to showcase. All things being equal, maybe another 10 or 15?

[Darren]

Well, this should be interesting. I wonder if your going to get the extra 100hp that Darren predicted

He's already at 803 although not at the wheels, and my comment was 800 at the wheels although I was just posting that off of memory what his engine did the first time because I didnt feel like going through 10 pages of BS looking for one little number. But anyhow you figure on what 15-20% loss so hes roughly at 643 - 683 at the wheels? So maybe he is shooting for 700 RWHP with this new "cam"

Although the whole "new cam" story could be a cover up for whats really going on... For all we know Brent could have the motor at his house slowly currently being installed, Hell on top of that for all we could know this is all just one BIG dream of his...

[kammi10]

and delayed another month.. oh well not like this car is ever going to get done anyway..


side note.. what is so different about the lobe design.. or is that something they wont say ?

[OVRKILL]

Rear wheel targets have never been discussed. Its always been about the bi-product of a good combo and optimizing it. He tried to get this cam in at the last dyno runs but it wasnt available.....probably a good thing as he admitted this intake inhales crazy volumes of air and would missed it based on previous thoughts. Asked what I thought and said, "its already been a year...whats a few more weeks...if everyone chips in, why not?" The explanation of this design over current lobes have been vague. They wont even be available until spring of next year, so its a little hush and more of a "trust"/R&D kind of deal.

[scholtmj]

What's left to do on the rest of the car? Some dyno tuning once the engine is installed - sure, but even if you got it all together in a month it's still the middle of winter.

[c0ncEpT]

But anyhow you figure on what 15-20% loss so hes roughly at 643 - 683 at the wheels?

That equation isn't exactly accurate. Thats like saying just because a engine makes 300 more horsepower than another its going to have lost more through the same drivetrain.

It might work for a stock car but the numbers become skewed as the power level goes up.

[OVRKILL]

^^^ correct...I think.

Should be clear that the percentage of loss (assuming a fixed number of 15%) is the same at peak rpm. It requires more power to spin higher the rpm.

500 hp 5000 rpm 15% equals 75hp
800 hp 6500 rpm 15% equals 120hp

[Darren]

That equation isn't exactly accurate. Thats like saying just because a engine makes 300 more horsepower than another its going to have lost more through the same drivetrain.

It might work for a stock car but the numbers become skewed as the power level goes up.

^^^ correct...I think.

Should be clear that the percentage of loss (assuming a fixed number of 15%) is the same at peak rpm. It requires more power to spin higher the rpm.

500 hp 5000 rpm 15% equals 75hp
800 hp 6500 rpm 15% equals 120hp

I thought this as well, wasnt 100% sure, makes sense tho.

So what kind of loss are you looking at with a build like this, or no way to tell until the car hits the rollers?

[OVRKILL]

I thought this as well, wasnt 100% sure, makes sense tho.

So what kind of loss are you looking at with a build like this, or no way to tell until the car hits the rollers?

Because dyno cells vary....some "happy", some not, it'll come down to when it hits the rollers. Though 15% is a baseline for an M6 fbody, I'm preparred in that it might be optimistic....18% may more realistic. Efficiency and drag of all the moving parts from the flywheel back should dictate.

[ThreeHonks]

I hope you are getting compensated in some form for allowing then to use your engine as a test mule (other than a free cam, cause that is negligible). Seems they are exploiting a great opportunity to use your uncommon build to test their newest design.


EDIT: to add, it is a perfect marketing opportunity for them as well to be able to say there was a gain of X horsepower over Y brand's camshaft. There will be an increase seeing you are going to be spinning it higher and a slightly larger cam. Looks like a win-win situation for them.

[OVRKILL]

I hope you are getting compensated in some form for allowing then to use your engine as a test mule (other than a free cam, cause that is negligible). Seems they are exploiting a great opportunity to use your uncommon build to test their newest design.


EDIT: to add, it is a perfect marketing opportunity for them as well to be able to say there was a gain of X horsepower over Y brand's camshaft. There will be an increase seeing you are going to be spinning it higher and a slightly larger cam. Looks like a win-win situation for them.

Compensation? Not directly.... The compensation comes in the form of first hand industry knowledge and unique attention to detail in a common goal....to build a bad ass LS "street" build. Yes, I've paid for the big pieces and some shop time...but not all of it. Without too much detail, you couldnt reproduce this build for what I paid.

If it all works out as planned, there's much "win" for all involved.
1. Virginia Speed gets a little recognition
2. Crane showcases their new technology
3. For reasons I mentioned above, I get what I want/paid for
4. ?????????

#4 ties it all together.....

[1BADAIR]

Then 1badairs little 5.3 smokes the 460ci at the track





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