1995 firebird formula m6 project thread

[92conv]

So since I'm in disagreement with whether or not we should ban you - I'm going to call it as I see it. You're a fraud!! And unless you can prove otherwise, beyond a reasonable doubt, I'd like to see you gone from this site, but that's getting little support. So, lucky you I guess.

Here's my basis for calling you a fraud:

#1: In your first pics the car sure looks to be a Formula right down to the decals. It strikes me strange that anybody who owned a Firehawk would want to downgrade their car to Formula status by plasti-dipping over the Firehawk decals. In fact, that rear bumper cover has a pretty nice shine for being plasti-dipped. Nor can I see any "bubbling" as you stated......






#2: You say the hood was replaced, and the air intake put back to "stock". Why would anybody go thru the trouble of buying and putting all of the GM air intake ducting in place, seems like it'd be easier to just throw a cone filter on it and call it good.



This is what a Firehawk engine bay, and air intake system looks like............ Just thought you might like to know.




#3: Speaking of engine bay. Did you notice that your car is missing this little tag too?? Let me guess, they plasti-dipped over it too?



# 4: Floormat. Sorry to break it to you, but SLP never used rubber floormats. Not to mention that the logos on your K-Mart mats are way wrong.



For your reference, below, is a real Firehawk/SLP floormat...




#5: Notice how the decals you put on the car are in the wrong locations?

Also you're door decals are the wrong size, just thought you should know.

Wrong location-wrong size script for this vintage Firehawk



Right location-right script



Slightly wrong locatoin again, but nice try with this one, you almost got it right.



Right location




#6: Notice how your console dosen't have the Firehawk number badge, or for that matter the holes in the console where it might have once been......Let me guess, Plasti-dip again??



The right type of console badge, and it's location just of reference.........




#7: You mention that you can't tell from your RPO tag if it says WU6 or WA8....Well hate to break it to you again both of those would be wrong regardless. Nice try though.

You see, WU6 wasn't used until the 1999-newer Firehawks came along. 1993 to 1997 Firehawks would need to have RV6. I have no clue WTF you're trying to reference with the WA8 statement.



Obviously you can tell that I could go on and on with this, but I won't waste any more time. The fact that you just responded via text from your Craigslist ad that it's a true Firehawk is absolute bullshit and down right fraudulent. It's of my opinoin that unless you have far greater evidence to support your claim you should not be allowed to remain a member here. I believe firmly in the integrity of our site, and your sir are tainting that right now.

I take this kind of offense seriously, as I believe we have an obligation to protect the integerity of our hobby from such a fraudulent and contaminating actions as yours.

[Darren]

@9302z28SS

[81DaytonaPaceCar]

Whoa...lookit Scott go...

You forgot the wheels..."winter wheels on it now"...

[07Shelby]

This is fun! I don't know near as much about cars as you all, but...
You bought a Firehawk that has 7 HUNDRED more horsepower than the original? That's impressive!

I should buy that car right now. Color me 'uninterested.'

[meissen]

Hey guys - let's tone this back a little bit and give Bob a chance to explain before we get the angry mob against him.

For one - the "1000 hp" is talking about the CLUTCH, not the engine... while it isn't on the same line so it's a little misleading, I thought it was rather obvious that's what he was talking about. He isn't saying the car makes 1000hp

[formula218]

He didn't say it makes 1000hp, he said the clutch would hold 1000hp.

Still kinds messed up though. I agree that it doesn't look like the old badges are plasti-dipped over. There is no way you could put a formula decal over the plasti-dip without it messing the dip up. The car looks identical to my formula.


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[9302z28SS]

re

look all i know is what i have done to this car.
there is a glossy plasti-dip. and to be quite
honest i dont give a shit if its a firehawk or not
why is it a huge deal about a cars badges?

im not arguing about if this cars real or not.
i said in past postings that i dont care if its
real or not.

and if youre so quick to hit the ban button on
everyone i dont think you need to be allowed
to have the power you do. because you like
to jump to conclusions without paying attention.

frankly i DO NOT care if its a firehawk.theyre ugly
who wants a car that looks lkke a v6? i bought
the car as a parts car for the T-56 but once
i dug into it and seen how nice it was i changed
my mind.

do i deserve to me publicly bashed and talked
down on by you? because i dont know forsure
that this car is real or not? or because the last
guy dipped it?? F@#K no i dont because i got
the thing as a parts car. @messien can you
please step in on this? konda tired of 92conv
already and need someone with a level head
on this.

but let me ask you, how an i fraud for finding
the things i did? did i say (for example) oh yeah
guys it number #133 or #887??? no i didnt.

i had a guy from a firehawk forum come out
and check it out and he said it looks real.
i mearly went by what someone else had
told me. i dont know how to look for a real
one. and why would i say this car is what it isnt
when i have a 93 z28 that i clearly tell everyone
its an ss clone?? why would i lie about this thing?

not trying to piss anyone off though i know i have
[MENTION=1515]92conv[/MENTION] chill out man. you jump on everyone
and cut their throats with a dull knife for nothing.
i know your a good guy but just calm down.

ive been upstanding on this forum. never done
wrong. if ive gotten into heats on here ive settled
it privately. (might have had to edit a few posts)
but i did settle it.

[MENTION=1993]Darren[/MENTION]. and about my calipers sale thread im not
trying to "get rich" or rip forum members off" thats why
there isnt a price. the way i see it is id rather trade
because if someone has something laying around
and they need what i have and we swap everyones
happy. no one got ripped off. no one got taken.

[MENTION=1515]92conv[/MENTION] you will have a pm.

[Darren]

The fraud comes in when you PURPOSELY represent it as a firehawk when its not and when you list it as a firehawk for sale and when you tell people who contact you that it is a REAL firehawk. How is that not a fraud thing to do? Just admit the truth, its not a firehawk, you didnt have someone come look at it and you put those stickers on. Then we can go back to the normal guys being picked on!

oh and while we are on it, LAY OFF THE ENTER KEY! Type out sentences and let the forum format it by itself. geesh.

[s8bayer]

I guess Bob did respond before I finished typing

Bob, Darren said it. Just fix that sales ad. There is nothing other than stickers that points to that being a Firehawk. Don't call it one and miss-lead a potential buyer/ trader. Even trading gives you a dishonest advantage on the value of the car.

No big deal. Just fix it.



My original post:
I am guessing he won't be back on here to explain himself.

Not cool. I wouldn't but I would even understand someone posting in the ad that it has the decals, but nothing else points to this being an actual Firehawk. Cool car nonetheless. I think you guys are right... well about all of it, but specifically he probably would have still made at least $2k on the sale. I would suggest more like a sale price of $3500. I do hope some young fan doesn't pick that up and loose his shirt. That would suck.

I honestly would agree with the Band and I'm pretty easy going on that sort of stuff. It would be one thing if he was just claiming his car was something it is not, but selling it that way is legally considered fraud...

[meissen]

I agree that we all need to step back for a moment and chill out.

The issue at hand is your representation of it on Craigslist as a Firehawk. Unless you can prove without a shadow of a doubt that it's a Firehawk, we've shown a bunch of examples of why it isn't really a Firehawk. To post it on Craigslist saying it's a true Firehawk is fraudulent and a detriment to the hobby. The issue is that you list it as a Firehawk which is worth much more to a collector than a standard Firebird or a Formula.

Someone is going to unknowingly pay you a lot of money for the car thinking it's a real Firehawk and you're basically ripping them off. There's literally no difference between you fraudulently listing the Firebird on Craigslist as a Firehawk and someone making fake MSD ignition boxes and selling them as real MSD boxes. Both are frauds, both hurt our hobby.

YOU may not care what badges are on the car, but to a collector -- those badges mean a lot and can influence the price of the car by a large margin.

[9302z28SS]

fine its not real and i put the damn stickers on it. if that makes this bullshot go away...

jus t tired of this. its a damn car. again all i know is what i was told. and darren im using a cellphone
it does it on its own.

[Darren]

I agree that we all need to step back for a moment and chill out.

The issue at hand is your representation of it on Craigslist as a Firehawk. Unless you can prove without a shadow of a doubt that it's a Firehawk, we've shown a bunch of examples of why it isn't really a Firehawk. To post it on Craigslist saying it's a true Firehawk is fraudulent and a detriment to the hobby. The issue is that you list it as a Firehawk which is worth much more to a collector than a standard Firebird or a Formula.

Someone is going to unknowingly pay you a lot of money for the car thinking it's a real Firehawk and you're basically ripping them off. There's literally no difference between you fraudulently listing the Firebird on Craigslist as a Firehawk and someone making fake MSD ignition boxes and selling them as real MSD boxes. Both are frauds, both hurt our hobby.

YOU may not care what badges are on the car, but to a collector -- those badges mean a lot and can influence the price of the car by a large margin.

Brian when someone contacted him about the car he told that person it was A REAL Firehawk, that is mis representing a car. That is fraud and that isnt right.

[92conv]

I do hope some young fan doesn't pick that up and loose his shirt. That would suck...

My thought s exactly!!



So Bob you don't care if it's a Firehawk or not? Then why list it for sale as Firehawk??

You say you don't know how to tell if it's real or not. We've told you how to tell if it's real, and yet you've chosen not to share the information we need to help you confirm it. Wonder why???

[9302z28SS]

messien

@messien thank you for chiming in.

and i agree. i shouldnt have posted it without
really knowing. it will be changed and advertised as a clone.

i honestly did not know it wasnt a firehawk. the mats were in the
spare tire area and i didnt know honestly...

i wasnt expecting to get anything more for the car
then a nice truck out of it or maybe like 3700 from what
blue book says. i mean come on im being threatend with
a banning for not knowing? i tried to buy a members hood
on here and told him i had a car with forehawk stickers
and would like to keep the theme going. didnt say it was real

cause i didnt know it wasnt real.. i just wamt this crap to end

[9302z28SS]

i dont have it on me at this moment guys. the cars in taylor.mi right now at my inlaws being stored for the cruise because
they live a few blocks away from telegraph. i have no prob giving you guys the vin.

i just dont have it right now. i think the title is in my camaro accually.
so ill check and post the vin...