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  • [Project] Just Got Carried Away with the Family Project

    Over the past 6 months a few of you guys have helped me out in part acquistion and advice so I feel inclined to update you all on WTH I got myself into. (I will try to keep current updates shorter)

    It all began this past Janurary when I stumbled across a Craigslist ad listing a 2000 Firebird for $1100. It had a trashed 3.8 but the body was straight and interior all there. Now, my twin 17 year old sons each have 3.8 f-bodies (2000 Camaro & 1998 Bird) and I figured that this would be a "cool learning experience" for them to revive this black Bird with a LS1 drivetrain.

    This is where it sat for months prior to us finding this "diamond in the rough"



    Removing it from the snow piles



    Finally got it home and this is where the "transformation" will happen!



    Once we defrosted the bird, it was time to evaluate the car and my brain on why the hell I just dragged this hulk home from downriver!
    A couple of days later we started the teardown. Hood off, torn front fascia off, fenders off and the iron paper weight out.





    This next pic tells it all! I actually got $53 for this at the scrap yard.



    Now the work begins! Cleaning, cleaning, cleeeeeaning...... After removing every bolt and part from the underbody it is time to paint. DP90 epoxy is what I used to coat everything underneath. But first, construct a paintbooth......


    A fresh bottom!



    Between all the cleaning & painting we were on the hunt for parts and that's when I discovered Mich F-body, LS1Tech and others. I have been searching several weeks for a low mileage LS1 engine with all the accessories. I found a few out of state and was ready to start driving when one day I mentioned my project to my buddy at work (Performance Variant Manager - ZL1!) when he said that he had a couple of LS2 engines in his garage. (He races road track 02 T/A) I quickly drove 10 miles to his house and bought a "choice" very low milage LS2 06 Vette engine with all accessories.
    Just brought it home



    So we have the power now we need all the supporting "stuff." Another Clarkston find, a set of Livernois Motorsport Stage II heads. Why would I want these? This is the about the point where it started to get away from me!



    The 3.8 single spin rear end was not going to do. So to the rescue, Brent with a 3.42!
    Also, bought some UMI ass end hardware. (Color to be changed)



    Fast forward another month or so, more parts - wire harnesses to convert from the 3.8 to LS2. Dropped fuel tank to install Racetronix fuel pump. Trans rebuilt by a great GM Powertrain tech. Then I scored a 3.73 complete axle assy from Flint., sorry Brent! Ground it and painted.



    So, this is now around April and I have been looking at the W68 package stuff on the car and I want to dump it. I listed it and sold it to a guy in New Jersey for $500. That takes the price of the car down to $450 with everything I sold from it. Good lesson for the boys!



    With the torn front fascia it became apparant that this car is screaming to become a T/A. I located a T/A front fascia in California for $275 but it had to be shipped here and that cost was more than the part. Then we came up with the idea of shipping it via Greyhound bus!! It only cost $82 to ship from Cali.



    We searched and found the rear fascia along with the rocker cladding in Cleveland, Ohio and a F/G WS6 hood in Cicinnatti. A single road trip scored all items.



    Moving along, we started to detail the engine compartment, suspension parts and all the other stuff.


    Starting to install harnesses and whatever



    Seeing that we are now so deep into this project, I am having the entire body refurbished (painted) by one of our "concept vehicle" painters at work. Since this is remaining black, he is doing 2 panels at a time. We are "prepping" the parts and taking them to 400 grit prior to giving them to the painter. Fenders and bumpers are completed and curing in my basement. They should be nice and dry once we get them mounted and ready for sand and polishing. Working on doors now.







    May - New rear is installed with new shocks, slotted and drilled rotors, calipers, new fuel and brake lines. Engine time - I wanted to do something different and "Pure Pontiac." I decided to pain the block the ol GTO pontiac engine metallic blue. I sanded, primed, sanded, primed, sanded, painted and cleared the LS6 Intake.







    Time for the engine to go togather and detail. Ported annd polished throttle body, stainless bolts, powercoat pulleys.
    (Yes, there is break-in lube on the cam, this is my son in a photo op)


    We are extremely pleased with the mileage on this engine. very clean



    Found some used Kooks headers and cleaned them although they will look like crap once we fire the beast up.










    That is the story in a nutshell and takes us to today. I had the original C6 vette oil pan on there and it would not fit the LS1 k-member. So, quickly posted the issue and I found a LS1 pan and pick-up and will try mounting the engine on the k-member this weekend and here we go!


    Here are pics of my sons f-bodies. When we get this project complete, we can have our own Meet'Greet in our driveway!





    Thanks for all of you help guys! I will total up all of the costs soon and let you know how much I have into this build. It was intended to be a budget build and I think it still is with doing most of the work ourselves and buying
    parts reasonable with the help of our forum buddies.

    Time to go to bed, too many brews!
    Last edited by BlackBirdDaddy; July 11th, 2011, 09:02 PM.
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    Wow!!!

    What a sweet story and your kids are so lucky to have a dad do a build like that.

    Will this remain "mom and dads car"?
    1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 - 6 Speed

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    • #3
      Awesome read Jim and you've been holding out on me!! You've got some skilz my friend!! For a minute I was excited to see my heroic contribution on the build only to have the rug ripped from under me that is was replaced by something less appealing - I'm sure it turned out just as nice as everything else!! Great story and cool resurrection Jim anyway

      LOL on your buddy with a couple LS2's laying around the garage!!

      You think I can recruit the BlacBirdDaddy Team to put mine back together...?

      Gotta get you some wheels now
      Last edited by OVRKILL; June 25th, 2011, 06:12 AM.
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      • #4
        That's awesome! I love the blue on the engine.

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        • #5
          Great work! Awesome thread!
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          • #6
            Awesome thread! Where did you get that hood? Was it a private seller or that shop down there?
            2011 Ford Raptor SuperCrew
            SVT Beadlock Wheels
            Roush Intake, Corsa Exhaust
            20" and 40" Light Bars

            2000 Camaro Z28
            Stripped Down Drag Car Build

            Project 1999 Camaro Z28


            2009 G8 GT Stryker Blue Metallic-SHEGONE
            Crate LS3, LS9 Cam, LSA Supercharger, Metco Solid Isolator
            RotoFab Intake, HSRK, Camaro Trans Pan
            ZL1 HX, ZL1 Fuel Pump, CTS-V Lid, LSA Injectors
            Pat G - 93 Octane Tune
            Kooks 1-7/8" Longtubes, High Flow Cats, X Pipe, Solo AxleBacks
            CTS-V Calipers, Brembo Pads
            H&R Lowering Springs, Whiteline Bushings, FE3 Struts/Shocks, Camaro 20" Wheels
            HIDs, LED Conversion, Atari Gauges, Tint, Roof Carbon Fiber Wrapped, Innovative Wideband

            2.55 Lingenfelter Pulley and Injectors waiting to go on!
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            • #7
              Great story Jim. Brian the site founder and I did this couple of years ago. "Red Alert" his car, was a v6 with a lot of mods, but stock engine. I bought him car when he turned 16. Finally at age 23 we did simular project. v6 to built LT1 swap, suspention, etc. This was the ultimate "Father & Son" or in your case Sons project that both of us will cherish forever. In fact after that I bought a 95 Formula to joint him at shows and cruises.
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              • #8
                sweet ! great thread, wish I would have gone an LS route, cant wait to see all your f-bodies parked next to one another.
                '91 Camaro Modded, LSx, House of Kolor Intense White, lowered, GS chrome 18" wheels, 14" Brembo CTS-V on all 4 corners, LS rear end, FP suspension components

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                • #9
                  Wow Jim -- this is quite the thread and project! I absolutely am envious of the work you're doing. The epoxy paint on the under carriage is mint -- the engine bay is gorgeous -- the Pontiac blue is breathtaking. Amazing work, Jim. This car is definitely up there with one of my favorites.
                  - Brian Meissen
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                  1994 Camaro LT1 Transplant - 357ci LT1, cammed, stalled, and driven.
                  2022 Camaro LT1 - "Cherry Bomb 2"
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by nascarnate326 View Post
                    Wow!!!

                    What a sweet story and your kids are so lucky to have a dad do a build like that.

                    Will this remain "mom and dads car"?
                    Thanks, this will be my (mine all mine!!) car for now altough I may let another family member drive it for a price. LOL!


                    You think I can recruit the BlacBirdDaddy Team to put mine back together...?
                    Brent, anytime you need some help, you know where to come for six hands as long as you have this (for me only of course!)


                    That's awesome! I love the blue on the engine.
                    Thanks Mark, I wanted to go ol' school 67' GTO with the metallic blue engine color. Pure Pontiac!!


                    Awesome thread! Where did you get that hood? Was it a private seller or that shop down there?
                    Thanks, I did buy this hood from a manufacture in Cincinnati. That's all they lay-up are hoods. Now the quality is obviously not as stellar as an OEM or SLP hood , but for the price, you can't beat it. We bought one for my son's Firebird and it needed some fitting and surfacing prior to paint. Install the hood, gap it to about 3mm all the way around, thin-up the outer edges consistant and flat sand it. Now these hoods could use more gelcoat but if you build it up with some polyester primer and surfaced it, it will be just fine. The lay-ups are done well also.
                    I couldn't justify spending $600 - $1200 on an OEM hood for this car. This is not waht this build was suppose to be, although it is getting there.

                    Great story Jim. Brian the site founder and I did this couple of years ago. "Red Alert" his car, was a v6 with a lot of mods, but stock engine. I bought him car when he turned 16. Finally at age 23 we did simular project. v6 to built LT1 swap, suspention, etc. This was the ultimate "Father & Son" or in your case Sons project that both of us will cherish forever. In fact after that I bought a 95 Formula to joint him at shows and cruises.
                    Hey Larry, thanks a bunch and yea I can't wait for all of us to pull into a meet or cruise somewhere together! That will make it all worth it. I remember watching my dad and brother work on their cars which I learned a lot from them at the time. Then me working on GTO, Cuda, Vettes all hours of night with my buddies in the garage. Fun stuff! This is a re-inactment with my kids.

                    Wow Jim -- this is quite the thread and project! I absolutely am envious of the work you're doing. The epoxy paint on the under carriage is mint -- the engine bay is gorgeous -- the Pontiac blue is breathtaking. Amazing work, Jim. This car is definitely up there with one of my favorites.
                    Thanks Brian, I got carried away once I seen an unnamed member's (Brent) car. oops! His car is going to be stellar and in no way is mine going to even closely compare to his, but his attention to detail is awesome!
                    Last edited by BlackBirdDaddy; June 26th, 2011, 05:20 PM.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BlackBirdDaddy View Post
                      Brent, anytime you need some help, you know where to come for six hands as long as you have this (for me only of course!)
                      Yeah, I quit drinking.....2nd time this weekend! I've been sober for 24hrs

                      Originally posted by BlackBirdDaddy View Post
                      Thanks Brian, I got carried away once I seen an unnamed member's (Brent) car. oops! His car is going to be stellar and in no way is mine going to even closely compare to his, but his attention to detail is awesome!
                      Thanks Jim and you're welcome, lol! Just trying to make fbody land a better place!!!
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                      • #12
                        Why is it that the simplest of jobs turn out to be the most frustrating? Yesterdays task was to install the newly acquired oil pickup tube, install the oil pan, take the engine off the stand and mount convertor and trans. Easy enough, hell no!!

                        Well it all started when I went to install the oil pickup tube. I had modified the length of my LS2 windage tray to match that of the LS1 since the LS2 oil pickup would not work with the LS1 oil pan. Confused? Well the bracket of the oil tube that mounts to the top of the windage tray needed to be modified in order to be bolted flat onto the tray.



                        Next, the bosses on the LS1 oil pan are larger than the LS2 oil pan and need to be ground slightly to fit properly.




                        Two darn hours later, the oil pan finally went on and torqued to specs. With the boys at work I decided to remove the engine from the stand and mount it to the k-member. I suggest not to do this yourself!



                        The next job is to install the torque convertor which should be easy enough, yea right! I go to pre-fit the new Yank and there was a -----n pilot bearing in the end of the crank. An hour into trying to get the bearing out by whatever means I had I had to crack open a beverage. Knowing my parts store was closed for the day I sat there and pondered over yet another beverage. Then it came to me, why not make my own bearing removal tool. I had to remove the center of t he bearing by removing one of the ball bearings so I could put a nut on the backside of the bearing and a bolt through the center. I then reinstalled the center portion of the bearing and replaced the ball bearing and evenly spaced all balls around the race. I still can't believed that it worked!




                        About four hours and multiple beers into this project, I still need to get the trans bolted on the engine so I wouldn't feel completely worthless. Overall that task went rather easy thank goodness.


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                        • #13
                          Thank goodness for alcohol! The ultimate "think" fluid.......

                          Btw, with M6 you wouldnt have those issues

                          You'd have different ones!!!
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                          • #14
                            looookks amazing
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                            Originally posted by 81DaytonaPaceCar


                            Can you argue that it's "revolutionary"? Perhaps. Just because it's "new" and "different" doesn't mean it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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                            • #15
                              Thanks!

                              Question - - This will be our first time installing LS1 or should I say LS2 from the bottom (or top or anywhere else). Can I bolt on my headers and install the whole engine assembly as one unit or will the headers get squeezed by the frame rails?
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