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  • #31
    Originally posted by ROUDA
    Meissen,
    What do you use. You say zaino but what was your steps when useing it and do you have any pics I could see of before and after or just after is fine.
    Granted, I see the slight difference in the pics myself but still.. the only difference I see is how the light reflects off the front fender:

    Before:


    After:


    Other afters: http://meissenation.com/pictures/1-19-06/

    The steps I used was:
    Washed my car with dawn
    Z8 Claybarred
    Washed again with dawn
    Z2 polish
    Z6 spray
    Z2 polish
    Z6 spray
    Z5 polish
    Z6 spray
    Z5 polish
    Z6 spray
    - Brian Meissen
    Owner, MiFBody.com
    Administrator, LTxTech.com


    1994 Camaro LT1 Transplant - 357ci LT1, cammed, stalled, and driven.
    2022 Camaro LT1 - "Cherry Bomb 2"
    Michigan FBody Meet & Greet Car Show 2022
    June 4th, 2022 - 9am to 3pm!!!
    The HUB Stadium, Auburn Hills, MI

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    • #32
      Yikes!
      I would only use the Dawn before the claybar.
      Skip Dawn completely once the claybarring is done.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by 02hawk796
        Are you looking for
        "glare"
        "diffusion" (lack of focus/clarity)
        "haze" or "haziness" - usually what Zaino corrects.
        Zaino preaches optical clarity, which is exactly what waxes lack. My 12 month old Zaino is gonna look better than most 10 minute old wax. But the best optical clarity requires the Polish Lok step after claybar, in my experience.
        and that is simply because zaino isn't wax wax will haze after a fairly short period of time

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        • #34
          Originally posted by 02hawk796
          Yikes!
          I would only use the Dawn before the claybar.
          Skip Dawn completely once the claybarring is done.
          True, the dawn doesn't need to be used after the claybar, since the claybar will do a good job of removing any residues (waxes, etc) from the paint, I don't remember why I used dawn but there's definitely nothing wrong with using it, either. I believe the Zaino car wash is meant to be used prior to the other steps ( trying to not say polishes )
          - Brian Meissen
          Owner, MiFBody.com
          Administrator, LTxTech.com


          1994 Camaro LT1 Transplant - 357ci LT1, cammed, stalled, and driven.
          2022 Camaro LT1 - "Cherry Bomb 2"
          Michigan FBody Meet & Greet Car Show 2022
          June 4th, 2022 - 9am to 3pm!!!
          The HUB Stadium, Auburn Hills, MI

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          • #35
            Originally posted by meissen
            I don't remember why I used dawn but there's definitely nothing wrong with using it, either.
            I disagree.
            I would expect this sequence to produce haze, lack of gloss, lack of optical clarity. Why bother adding more coats on top once you've done this to your base coat?
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            • #36
              Originally posted by 02hawk796
              I disagree.
              I would expect this sequence to produce haze, lack of gloss, lack of optical clarity. Why bother adding more coats on top once you've done this to your base coat?
              You might expect it to, but it didn't. As far as more coats on top, you mean of Dawn or the Z2 and Z5?
              - Brian Meissen
              Owner, MiFBody.com
              Administrator, LTxTech.com


              1994 Camaro LT1 Transplant - 357ci LT1, cammed, stalled, and driven.
              2022 Camaro LT1 - "Cherry Bomb 2"
              Michigan FBody Meet & Greet Car Show 2022
              June 4th, 2022 - 9am to 3pm!!!
              The HUB Stadium, Auburn Hills, MI

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              • #37
                dawn being damaging to a finish is a myth. I know people who have used NOTHING but dawn to wash their car, and for years. yes, i reprimanded them.
                -Joel
                1995 Z28 M6 - AI226/234 - autocross ricer
                1984 Scottsdale K10 - 305/4bbl/4spd


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                • #38
                  Originally posted by JoeliusZ28
                  dawn being damaging to a finish is a myth. I know people who have used NOTHING but dawn to wash their car, and for years. yes, i reprimanded them.
                  Why did you reprimand them if its not damaging?

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                  • #39
                    dawn won't really hurt short term, it will make the paint "dryout" or oxidize faster since it removes natural oils (that's what makes a wax job cloud up after time) in the paint shop we always washed with dishsoap becasue it removes oils and silicone where car wash soap won't

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Orange_Terror
                      Why did you reprimand them if its not damaging?
                      because car wash is what... $5? Dawn is very safe to use ocasioanlly... but that doesnt mean the benefit outweighs the risk.
                      -Joel
                      1995 Z28 M6 - AI226/234 - autocross ricer
                      1984 Scottsdale K10 - 305/4bbl/4spd


                      WTB List:Midwest Chasis DS Loop

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by JoeliusZ28
                        because car wash is what... $5? Dawn is very safe to use ocasioanlly... but that doesnt mean the benefit outweighs the risk.
                        exactly

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by JoeliusZ28
                          because car wash is what... $5? Dawn is very safe to use ocasioanlly... but that doesnt mean the benefit outweighs the risk.
                          Cool, so what do you charge to do the Zaino Joel?

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                          • #43
                            I disagree with the using of Dawn. Any soap that isn't suppose to be
                            for a car, shouldn't be used on a car. However I will admit I never tried it, but if your intent is to use a clay bar, why the need for Dawn?

                            My .02!

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                            • #44
                              i usually use dawn only when i detail cars that already have wax on them to get it off first so the claybar can focus more on getting the shit off rather than the wax, never had a problem when using it but i rarely do. Nice name BTW Superman!
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Superman09
                                i usually use dawn only when i detail cars that already have wax on them to get it off first so the claybar can focus more on getting the shit off rather than the wax, never had a problem when using it but i rarely do. Nice name BTW Superman!
                                Likewise to you!
                                I have been debating on buying Zaino. I have no question its good stuff, but the other day I used a 3M Finish Restorer and followed up with a Meguirers Fx detail spray. It came out better than I have seen in awhile. I would match my shine against any Zaino product anyday of the week. I also like Liquid lustre. Fo the money this stuff is show car shine quality. I highly reccommend you at least try it.

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