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  • Drivablity issue...

    Background - 1992 Camaro 305 TPI, 700R4, basically stock....

    Here's the situation. The car has been acting up the last few weeks and I'm almost at my wits end. When under acceleration she stumbles. Bad. The harder I push her the worse it feels. Going up hills is a nightmare. If I'm just cruseing (RPMs low) feels fine, but if i get in it, she stumbles and has a sever lack of power. Starts every time but stumbles under load. Kinda feels like a misfire but differant...

    I first concidered that she was misfiring and it was ignition related but there's no CES light and the timing is correct. Most of the ignition system is new(ish) - plugs, wires, coil, distributor, ICM have all been replaced within the last year however I haven't pulled any plugs or the cap to see if there's anything obivious... yet.

    I'm thinking it's fuel related. Here's why. Fuel pressure at the rail primes with key to on to 40psi like normal but then drops to 0 immidiatly. Still turns over like she should though. No long starts. I have since replaced the fuel pump and fuel filter AND the regulator diaphram but it didn't fix anything. No leaks in the fuel lines as far as I can tell. Car starts fine and idles at 30-32ish psi, shoots to 42psi with the regulator disconnected.

    I think it's the injectors.... Car still has the stock Multec POSs and doesn't look like they've ever been replaced. And from what I've read, if one is stuck open I'd loose fuel pressure... So logically it's the injectors. Does that sound right? Or is the fuel pressure not holding at the rail normal and I should be looking at something else? EGR valve? TPS? Clogged Cat?

    Maybe someone smarter than me can chime in here...
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  • #2
    Pull the fuel rail, key the the pump on and watch the injectors. If they spray fuel theres your problem.
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    • #3
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      • #4
        Originally posted by JoeliusZ28 View Post
        Pull the fuel rail, key the the pump on and watch the injectors. If they spray fuel theres your problem.
        Easier said than done on TPI

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        • #5
          Yah, that's a chore. I'd rather know I'm right before I tear down the top end but If I have to I will....

          I don't know if it's related or not but on my way home from work she was idleing higher than normal. At stop lights it was hovering around 1400-1500 rpms....
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          • #6
            So I pulled the cap off the distributor just to see.... can anyone tell me if this looks normal or not. Looks to be quite burnt to me but what do you think?



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            • #7
              what plug wires? a bad or loose wire can run fine under normal loads. but then when heavy load the coil is already using its added capacity so then you have issues. The errosion on the terminals appears like its using a lot of amperage all the time

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              • #8
                Summit racing wires. 8mm i think. They were afordable at the time. Ive already checked all the plug wires and none seem to be loose. Its an MSD blaster coil too btw. I tried to clean the contacts in the cap and on the rotor with some sand paper and it didnt help this issue im having.
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                1996 Camaro Z28 - LT4 roadster : Epic - SOLD
                2000 Camaro RS - 3.8 V6 T-top : Edge - SOLD
                1988 Camaro RS - 2.8L V6 Hardtop : Blade - SOLD

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                • #9
                  Sure the cat isn't clogged?
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                  • #10
                    Nope, not sure. However, most of what ive read about a clogged cat says the car will run much hotter (almost to the point of overheating) if thats the case. And her coolant temps are as normal as ever. So im leaning away from that but could still be a posiblity.
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                    1996 Camaro Z28 - LT4 roadster : Epic - SOLD
                    2000 Camaro RS - 3.8 V6 T-top : Edge - SOLD
                    1988 Camaro RS - 2.8L V6 Hardtop : Blade - SOLD

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                    • #11
                      My cat started to explode on the dyno. It was partially clogged but my car never ran hot. It only overheated because I'm stupid.
                      It did stumble though a lot in the high rpms. I got scared for it was ye ol mighty opti breaking on me.

                      I don't like those wires.. my car ran like shit with them on. Delco or MSD. Pref delco.

                      See if they arc causing a light show at night.
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                      • #12
                        I just checked the wires. No visable arcing. It was pitch black out there too. Scuffed my arm slightly on the fan belt. Lol.

                        How would you tell if the cat is clogged or even slightly clogged?
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                        1988 Camaro RS - 2.8L V6 Hardtop : Blade - SOLD

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                        • #13
                          Heat temperature reader thingy. Run the car. If the pipping before cat is much hotter than after, its clogged.

                          Even a slight misfire might not light the CEL. Mine didn't when I roasted a wire lol.
                          Did you change any parts before this happened? Ignition related.
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                          • #14
                            No, ignition hasnt been touched. Ive been figuring fuel due to the pressure readings....
                            i confirmed with the seller that the pump i put in DOES have an internal check ball so the immidiate loss of pressue after priming is not normal...
                            Last edited by MeenZ28; August 12th, 2015, 09:21 AM.
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                            1996 Camaro Z28 - LT4 roadster : Epic - SOLD
                            2000 Camaro RS - 3.8 V6 T-top : Edge - SOLD
                            1988 Camaro RS - 2.8L V6 Hardtop : Blade - SOLD

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                            • #15
                              Do you think i should buy a new cap and rotor based on the pics? Should i honestly look into new plug wires?
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                              1996 Camaro Z28 - LT4 roadster : Epic - SOLD
                              2000 Camaro RS - 3.8 V6 T-top : Edge - SOLD
                              1988 Camaro RS - 2.8L V6 Hardtop : Blade - SOLD

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