engine build

[shawnc16]

He won't need to spray it...

But, yes, the rotating assembly will need to be addressed, which is why I allowed a few extra $$$ to be included.

This would actually be a good study for all involved...a Gen I carb version, versus a LSx version...

Justin (1bad83TA) is building an L92 truck engine for his 83 TA and I'm building a 385 Stroker. We should both theoretically be done around the same time in the spring.. I guess we'll see who's smokin who. Might have to go on PINKS! LOL

[81DaytonaPaceCar]

If he wants to go 10's on that motor he most certainly will have to spray it unless he is installing the motor in a miata.

Different criteria...going 10s and making 600 hp are two totally different things.

A 400 SBC with 600 crank hp is easy...no spray required...going 10s is a whole 'nother ball game...

[kammi10]

werd jeff... if u have 600 hp but cant put it to the ground you arnt going to go 10's

[WMCCjames]

Well he stated that he wanted to go 10's and was just throwing out the 600hp number...so I assumed 10's was the order of importance.

Anywho....600hp out of a 400 is not an walk in the park either.....I can tell you my 400 didn't have any where close to 600hp, or 500hp and it had a fairly healthy cam and a nice set of AFR heads on it....FWIW.

[81DaytonaPaceCar]

Well he stated that he wanted to go 10's and was just throwing out the 600hp number...so I assumed 10's was the order of importance.

Anywho....600hp out of a 400 is not an walk in the park either.....I can tell you my 400 didn't have any where close to 600hp, or 500hp and it had a fairly healthy cam and a nice set of AFR heads on it....FWIW.

Agreed on all points.

The 600 hp number was just thrown out, and it's seemingly what we've worked towards.

Personally, from a budget perspective, it's cheaper to build HP than traction, and as you're constantly chasing traction, so I think you'll need more than 600 hp to get to the 10s on a limited budget.

And that doesn't mean it has any reliability.

Frankly, just from poking around out on Summit, this is what you're looking at for a carb'd 406...to do it "right"...that is still "streetable"...sorta...

$2500 forged rotating assembly
$2500 aluminum heads/cam/intake/carb set up
$1500 stainless 3" exhaust and long tubes

And that doesn't include all the miscellaneous crap...oil/fuel pumps/systems, gaskets, ignition, etc, etc, etc...

You want to make "600 crank hp" and "run 10s", yeah well, you can DO it for, what, $8000? All said and done?

But to do it reliably, and streetably, and repeatably, run 10s, regardless of motor choices, you're looking at, what, $15K in a 3rd gen? Budget for $17K?

And that won't get you back-halved, so that's just the cost of a handful of passes...you won't get anything but slower as that body flexes...

There's a reason you don't see 10 second street cars every day.

Cost is just one of them...

[WMCCjames]

Amen brother Ben!!

I always get a kick out of people that say they want to go fast on a budget....My response is usually, get a motorcycle.

[81DaytonaPaceCar]

Amen brother Ben!!

I always get a kick out of people that say they want to go fast on a budget....My response is usually, get a motorcycle.

Who the hell is Ben?



And this is part of the thing that intrigues me about that "streetable" 72 T/A than runs low 9s in the other thread.

He's gotta have $80K into that thing if he's got a penny to run 9s and still drive it on the street...

[Virtue]

Justin (1bad83TA) is building an L92 truck engine for his 83 TA and I'm building a 385 Stroker. We should both theoretically be done around the same time in the spring.. I guess we'll see who's smokin who. Might have to go on PINKS! LOL

just carb a gen 3/4 block and be done with it alot easier

[JoeliusZ28]

I now what your saying, But how long do they normaly last, (NOT LONG) as much research i have done, they dont last, and not near as strong as the ls1. And when you go spray NOS on top of that on a LT-1 your asking for problems... Plan and simple for the money you cannot beat a LS1,2 OR 3...
JUSTIN

Essentially I agree and disagree depending on if you are building a full motor or just a budget top end job.

reason being if you are building a stroker you level the playing field right back out... The stock bottom LT1s that blow up usually have north of 100k miles of abuse on them, and are also only 2 bolt main. If you PLAN to keep the stock block & assembly, then the LS1 is indeed the way to go. But if not, im sorry but traditional SBC parts are cheaper and frankly will take names at the track all day regardless of how much the Gen 3 worshipers try to deny it.

here's your fast LT1s: http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305819

I know it takes the fun out of it, but I gaurantee that 9/10 times the cheapest way to a 10 second car is to just buy one that already runs 10s

a 500whp lsx (not that actual lsx block but a hybrid of ls1,2,and 3) can be made for under 5500 even under 5k without cuttin corners either

i have a baby cam in my car,stock heads and intake and still put down very good numbers hahahaha and it still has a shit load left in it.

theres no magic hp number to run 10's ive seen under 400whp ls1 cars running that some how

just remember there is always additional in retrofitting no matter what it is.

[c0ncEpT]

a 500whp lsx (not that actual lsx block but a hybrid of ls1,2,and 3) can be made for under 5500 even under 5k without cuttin corners either

i have a baby cam in my car,stock heads and intake and still put down very good numbers hahahaha and it still has a shit load left in it.

theres no magic hp number to run 10's ive seen under 400whp ls1 cars running that some how

Heads/Cam LS1 cars run into the 10's lots. Just take a little weight out and get it to hook and there off. I mean shit they have had Bolt-on LS1 F-bodys in the 10's.

[PACE]

Alright, I now what it takes to build 600+ hp on a 400ci block, AND IT DOESNT COME CLOSE TO 5000 OR 6000 OR 8000 Ill tell ya that right now. theres alot of things that needs to be done. Also, the cam is a big deal too, Pritty much have to be a custom. the heads, Well you will have over 2500 into the heads alone, to feed this monster with out any problems, alot of port work, LABOR , AND TUNNING goes into something like this, espessally if you want her reliable, And for one you will not run on 93oct with out octane boost.. need a good set of headers also. Lots of money and you wont be able to build a 400ci+ gen 1 block for under 10,000 if you do it right..

[lozanoa11]

you guys are missing a few points hear. lets not argue about what has to be done to the rest of the car that stuff is a given. I understand the cost of that stuff. Im trying to figure out what would be best to run tens: gen 1 2 or 3/4. I want to run fuel injection. And i wanted to use a lt1 fuel injection set up if i don't use gen3/4.
Also don't forget i plan on useing e-85 witch is about 100 octane. I havent done all my homework but i think i could run 14:1 Increasing efficincy.

[cobalt camaro]

You know what you could do to run 10's, do like what every other person on pinks does, buy an old fox body mustang and through a 250 shot of nitrous on it and hope it lasts more than 3 runs.

But seriously just keep researching until you find what you like. I always look for reliable power. Pace talked me out of turbo because when i thought about it i could put thousands of dollars into a 3800 just to go as fast as an ls1, but if the ls1 had a cat back exhaust, headers, and an intake, he would smoke me, making me just back at square one. While the Ls1 would be a reliable bolt on car making good power. This is why i'm going to either save up for an ls1 t56 swap, or put a down payment on a 5th gen. I am now trying to research how easy it would be to put an ls3 into an fbody. Anyways good luck

[lozanoa11]

they did that in gm high tech performance i shouldent be much worse than a ls1 swap

[Derek]

You know what you could do to run 10's, do like what every other person on pinks does, buy an old fox body mustang and through a 250 shot of nitrous on it and hope it lasts more than 3 runs.

But seriously just keep researching until you find what you like. I always look for reliable power. Pace talked me out of turbo because when i thought about it i could put thousands of dollars into a 3800 just to go as fast as an ls1, but if the ls1 had a cat back exhaust, headers, and an intake, he would smoke me, making me just back at square one. While the Ls1 would be a reliable bolt on car making good power. This is why i'm going to either save up for an ls1 t56 swap, or put a down payment on a 5th gen. I am now trying to research how easy it would be to put an ls3 into an fbody. Anyways good luck

smart choice, my supercharged v6 didnt even come close to the power my new car has, one nice thing was we custom fabbed the whole sc kit and bought most everything else used so i acctually made money off demodding the car lol.