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    idk anything about 4th gen. ned advice before buying

    well ive found to cars that im interested in. there both formula's. LT1 6 speed cars with t-tops. both suppose to be rust free. clean interiors and t-tops dont leak. the first one is 2,500 the second one is 3,500. which one do you guys think is better.

    first one is a 1995 formula 6 speed. with 140k says needs window motor relay. other then that runs and drives good. i love the color and rims

    http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cto/1523842013.html

    second on is a 96 formula 6 speed. says to have a rebuilt motor and trans with about 20-30k miles. brand new kelly tires. has short throw shifter headers, slp loadmouth cat back, chip, bbk throttle body, cold air intake, waiting to findout what rearend and if its got 4 wheel disk. has a very small peice of lower passanger fender that broke of bc of a blow out. not super noticable. and a small dent on the inder fender

    http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/cto/1502867448.html

    so what do you guys think? are they worth it? i know people rag the lt1s but there both 6 speed cars for a descent price. all comments welcome? ive always wanted a iroc but the lt1 and 6 speeds are just better combos. maybe down the road ill do a swap in a iroc.
    Last edited by scoutsniper; December 25th, 2009, 12:59 PM.
    HISTORY OF CARS PAST AND PRESANT (none of them were wrecked)

    1989 S10 standard with 350 carb'd, th350, shift kit, shorties, 600cfm, hooker TD's, 3.23 non posi, B&M shifter(sold)

    1991 firebird with t-tops and 3.1L, 700r4, 3.23 non posi, flowmaster cat back, 15ibs injectors, (sold)

    1991 formula with t-tops, WS6, 5.0TPI, WC T5. 3.42 posi. magnaflow cat back, 52mm TB, and hurst billet (sold)

    1994 camaro z28 with t-tops, 5.7LT1, T56, 3.42 posi. CAI, elbow, Airfoil, SFC, STB, pro 5.0, flowmaster cat back. (sold)

    2000 Trans am with t-tops, 5.7LS1, T56, 3.42posi, LT'S, ORY, magnaflow, lid, lingenfelter intake, 3pt SFC, STB, LCA, (current)
    Tags: 3.42, air intake, cold air intake
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    you linked the same car, and it should have disk brakes all the way around if its a true formy and 3.42 as long as its a 6speed and never had a gear change. and idk bout this rebuild. ask for receipts on who did it. inspect everything like a hawk and really drive it. the first car doesnt sound to bad as long as its not trashed.



    edit: id say i like the first one just because it hasnt been messed with and doesnt sound like the 2nd guy knows what hes really talking about if he doesnt know his own gear ratio and even if the car has disk brakes, so to have a rebuilt engine on that car. from what you told me i think id pass and go with the first one
    Last edited by MunsterZ28; December 25th, 2009, 12:35 PM.
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    • #3
      fixed the link. i know the other one isnt messed with. but the second has all some mods done already. and im defiantly gonna wanna see recipts and inspect the car like a hawk. i forgot formulas come with 4 wheel disk. do they come standard with WS6 on 4th gens? also the factory ratio is 3.42 thats not bad.

      im waiting for replys back from both the owners. ill post more info as i findout. hopefully i can go see them next week.
      HISTORY OF CARS PAST AND PRESANT (none of them were wrecked)

      1989 S10 standard with 350 carb'd, th350, shift kit, shorties, 600cfm, hooker TD's, 3.23 non posi, B&M shifter(sold)

      1991 firebird with t-tops and 3.1L, 700r4, 3.23 non posi, flowmaster cat back, 15ibs injectors, (sold)

      1991 formula with t-tops, WS6, 5.0TPI, WC T5. 3.42 posi. magnaflow cat back, 52mm TB, and hurst billet (sold)

      1994 camaro z28 with t-tops, 5.7LT1, T56, 3.42 posi. CAI, elbow, Airfoil, SFC, STB, pro 5.0, flowmaster cat back. (sold)

      2000 Trans am with t-tops, 5.7LS1, T56, 3.42posi, LT'S, ORY, magnaflow, lid, lingenfelter intake, 3pt SFC, STB, LCA, (current)

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      • #4
        anything with a v8 from the factory had disk brakes. formys z28s trans am ws6. ya id be leary of the 2nd one
        wishing i could drive like joe and the atm squad

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        • #5
          I would go with the second one, the pics of the first do not impress me. Fred, what are you talking about with the gear ratio? if he doesnt know what it is he probably didnt mess with it.

          check them both out. You get what you pay for. Im willing to bet the red one is tired and beat.

          Ask for the reciepts on the rebuilt motor and if he cant provide them you simply offer as though it is original.
          -Joel
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          • #6
            Geez, buy both of them and make one badass and either part out the rest or sell it as a whole.
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            • #7
              They both SEEM like good deals but ya never know.
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              • #8
                i mean i would eventually need to get a new fender for the second one buit thats not much. plus its got alot more goodies already installed.
                HISTORY OF CARS PAST AND PRESANT (none of them were wrecked)

                1989 S10 standard with 350 carb'd, th350, shift kit, shorties, 600cfm, hooker TD's, 3.23 non posi, B&M shifter(sold)

                1991 firebird with t-tops and 3.1L, 700r4, 3.23 non posi, flowmaster cat back, 15ibs injectors, (sold)

                1991 formula with t-tops, WS6, 5.0TPI, WC T5. 3.42 posi. magnaflow cat back, 52mm TB, and hurst billet (sold)

                1994 camaro z28 with t-tops, 5.7LT1, T56, 3.42 posi. CAI, elbow, Airfoil, SFC, STB, pro 5.0, flowmaster cat back. (sold)

                2000 Trans am with t-tops, 5.7LS1, T56, 3.42posi, LT'S, ORY, magnaflow, lid, lingenfelter intake, 3pt SFC, STB, LCA, (current)

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                • #9
                  case & point, you cant make a decision based on a craigslist ad. you need to go look at them and not be afraid to walk away once and come back later when you have decided. There are hundreds of things that could be wrong with either of these cars that the ads are not going to show.
                  -Joel
                  1995 Z28 M6 - AI226/234 - autocross ricer
                  1984 Scottsdale K10 - 305/4bbl/4spd


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                  • #10
                    Listen to Joel, you need to look at both of them and make decision's based on what you find by doing that...
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                    • #11
                      Why are the headlights up on the first one? Are the motors bad? The second one I think would be worth checking out, if it is as good as he makes it sound that is the way I would go.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by bumpin_z View Post
                        Why are the headlights up on the first one? Are the motors bad? The second one I think would be worth checking out, if it is as good as he makes it sound that is the way I would go.
                        I was just going to say that...if the car is turned off and the lights aren't on then the motors are out...
                        burn rubber!

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                        • #13
                          Well based on write up of the 2 the 1st one could be better deal 1,000 cheaper. 140k on clock isn't bad ask what he's done since he had the car, water pump, opti, brakes, etc. check the oil, and drive it for 5 10 min to get warmed up, clutch chatter? etc.
                          2nd one has body damage so fix and paint and 1,000 higher to start. how many miles on car? not rebuild. The fact that he had to rebuild engine and trans raises big flag "I HAVE BEEN BEAT ON" Receipts are very important! and was there any warrenty on rebuild or did he do it in back yard. again drive this one 2 for a good 10 min. check vin # to see if its a real ws6. 1st year for that was 1996, but a lot of people stuck the badge on their cars.

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                          Originally posted by bumpin_z View Post
                          Why are the headlights up on the first one? Are the motors bad? The second one I think would be worth checking out, if it is as good as he makes it sound that is the way I would go.
                          The reason head lights don't go down and window "relay" is stated as bad could really be body control module bad.
                          Last edited by 98blackbeauty; December 26th, 2009, 09:37 AM. Reason: Auto merged double post
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                          • #14
                            All `94 -up M6 cars come std with 3.42's All 4th Gen V8 cars come std with 4 wheel disc brakes. The first one definetely needs 1 possibly 2 headlight motors (not a cheap fix). It also has an aftermarket exhaust (non stock tips). Neither are WS6 cars because they do not have any of the required equipment (wheels Hood etc.)
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                            • #15
                              I myself would go with the silver second one, unless you plan on dropping new engine in.

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