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    Definitely interesting:

    NEW YORK -- General Motors is considering a four-cylinder engine for the new Chevrolet Camaro as a response to rising fuel prices.

    Speaking on the sidelines of the New York auto show, GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz said the drivetrain under consideration for the Camaro is the same high-performance one used in the Pontiac Solstice and Saturn Sky roadsters. It’s a 2.0-liter turbocharged, direct-injected four-cylinder rated at 260 hp. Lutz said that if fuel prices continue to climb, the four-cylinder Camaro could see production.

    GM has said it plans V8 and V6 versions of the Camaro but otherwise has been secretive. Lutz confirmed that the V6 version of the Camaro will be powered by the same high-tech V6 used in the Cadillac CTS. It’s a direct-injected, 3.6-liter four-cam V6. In the CTS, the engine is rated at 304 hp.


    Low-priced version dropped
    In the Camaro, the 3.6 liter’s horsepower should be around 260, Lutz said, Fuel economy, he said, will be around 17 mpg city and 25 highway. That would place the V6 Camaro among best in class for a performance car.

    Lutz said GM has dropped plans to offer a low-priced, entry-level Camaro with one of GM’s low-tech V6s. GM will position both the V6 and V8 versions of the Camaro as premium cars compared to the Camaro’s chief rival, the Ford Mustang.

    The base model Mustang uses a 4.0-liter overhead-cam V6 rated at 210 hp. The base model Dodge Challenger, due in the fall, will use a 250-hp, 3.5-liter V6.

    Most enthusiast attention has focused on the Camaro’s V8 engine, which is likely to be a 6.0-liter with about 400 hp. Lutz said the V8 will have a cylinder cutoff system that shuts down half the engine when the car reaches cruising speed. That will help it get better fuel economy.

    But Lutz said he thinks most buyers will opt for the V6 because the performance will be strong, especially when the engine is combined with a manual transmission.

    “Back in the old days, if you wanted a muscle car, to get a decent one, you had to buy the V8,” Lutz said. “And if you bought the V6, you got a fairly rough, unrefined pushrod engine with low horsepower and weasely performance.

    “This time, the V6 is 260-odd horsepower, four overhead cams, very smooth and decent 0-to-60-mph times. And now the V6 is in its own right a very fast, very legitimate car.”


    'We are going to be above Mustang'
    Lutz said that with the V6, the Camaro achieves a nearly perfect 50-50 weight distribution: “With the V6, it is not a heavy car. The Camaro will be a very lively and engaging car,” he said.

    Lutz would not talk specifically about the Camaro’s pricing. The car is scheduled to go on sale next February as a 2009 (?) model, but Lutz did say GM views the Camaro as better equipped than the Mustang, and the price will be higher.

    The Mustang V6 coupe has a base price of $20,235. The V8 GT coupe begins at $26,825. Both prices include shipping.

    “We are going to be above Mustang,” Lutz said. “We have a very sophisticated suspension system and, frankly, a much nicer interior. We are not going to try and match the Mustang on price. We are going to be premium-priced compared to the Mustang.”
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  • #2
    not bad not bad..tackle the pony!

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    • #3
      i dont like the sound of "premium priced"

      nor a 4 cyl, i dont care how much hp it has its still just the fact that its a 4 cyl

      '96 Camaro RS - project
      '97 Silverado Z71 - DD
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      • #4
        Outside of the Solstice motor (which I think is a great idea), everything else is pretty much as expected...
        Originally posted by Redd8407
        I WANT NOISE! SPEED! AN ENGINE THAT SHAKES MY INTERNAL ORGANS LIKE THEY GOT PARKINSON'S! I DONT WANT AN ENGINE THAT IS PARTIALLY POWERED BY MY LAPTOP BATTERY!
        Originally posted by Z28ISGR8
        WHY THE F*CK IS THERE A GOAT ON A FERRARI?
        Originally posted by Darren
        I think it is because I take it in and out all the time, the rubber has just stretched out, especially at the bottom where it is really thin. It annoys me more then anything.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by badinfluence View Post
          i dont like the sound of "premium priced"

          nor a 4 cyl, i dont care how much hp it has its still just the fact that its a 4 cyl
          lol yea and in 10 years or less from now you will be buying one and using it as a project car





          Had to do it ha

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          • #6
            GM will position both the V6 and V8 versions of the Camaro as premium cars compared to the Camaro’s chief rival, the Ford Mustang.
            Sounds like code for "it will be overpriced and tank." That's too bad. I would have really dug an entry-level strippo version optioned only with a 5.3L V8 and a 5-speed. Sort of a 5th Gen equivalent to my car.

            -Dave
            1968 Camaro convertible. L79/M21.
            One-of-none "Hurst Edition"
            1975 Ford Green Glow Metallic
            Black over-the-door SS stripe
            Black top, Ivy Gold Deluxe interior

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            • #7
              Originally posted by David Conwill View Post
              Sounds like code for "it will be overpriced and tank." That's too bad. I would have really dug an entry-level strippo version optioned only with a 5.3L V8 and a 5-speed. Sort of a 5th Gen equivalent to my car.

              -Dave
              I was really hoping for a v8, 5speed, cd player and nothing else option too.



              I think the 4cyl is a great idea. It will get camaro into the hands of alot of people that otherwise might not be able to afford one. They need to be able to produce a heafty volume of this car, and I dont think thats possible with a v8/di v6. If they could get a striped version of the car to start at 19,999.99 that would be a complete dream.
              1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 - 6 Speed

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              • #8
                wouldnt bother me at all. The v6 is already gonna have more hp than a mustang GT
                -Joel
                1995 Z28 M6 - AI226/234 - autocross ricer
                1984 Scottsdale K10 - 305/4bbl/4spd


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                • #9
                  ...Premium Priced is very bad. Not a good idea at all.

                  Get rid of the IRS, and anything else that is worthless - and get rid of "premium pricing".
                  Gone but not forgotten: 1986 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z

                  "You shall ride eternal. Shiny and chrome."

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                  • #10
                    IRS isnt going anywhere.

                    I think its garbage personally but its the "wave of the future"
                    -Joel
                    1995 Z28 M6 - AI226/234 - autocross ricer
                    1984 Scottsdale K10 - 305/4bbl/4spd


                    WTB List:Midwest Chasis DS Loop

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                    • #11
                      I bet a 4 cyl version wouldn't get any better fuel economy than a V6. When ever they put a 4cyl in a big car you end up above 3,000 rpm on the highway. I would have the pedal to the floor just to get the darn thing to cruising speed.


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by transampimp View Post
                        I bet a 4 cyl version wouldn't get any better fuel economy than a V6. When ever they put a 4cyl in a big car you end up above 3,000 rpm on the highway. I would have the pedal to the floor just to get the darn thing to cruising speed.
                        But they could advertise a lower price - hopefully.
                        1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 - 6 Speed

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by nascarnate326 View Post
                          But they could advertise a lower price - hopefully.

                          I doubt it... more parts equals more money

                          example
                          In a 1965 Corvette you could order
                          327 V8- fuel injected for an addition $538.00 an provided 375 hp
                          396 V8- Big block for an additional $292.70 an provided 425 hp

                          This being said this was the last year to order fuel injection until 1982.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JoeliusZ28 View Post
                            IRS isnt going anywhere.

                            I think its garbage personally but its the "wave of the future"
                            X2

                            That's pretty much it.

                            I really don't have a problem with my regular (aka, better) live-axle...
                            Gone but not forgotten: 1986 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z

                            "You shall ride eternal. Shiny and chrome."

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                            • #15
                              IRS is great for everything but drag racing.... IMO

                              you know there will be a solid axle retrofit kit somewhere.. for some reason or another..

                              although im glad gm is putting in a 4 cylinder.. I'm just pissed its turbo..(personally)

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