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  • need help on 96 z28 not starting before or after 24x conversion

    Here is a link to my problem on ltx:
    http://ltxtech.com/forums/showthread...e-or-after-24x

    Anyone on here have any ideas? I don't know if its my wiring, my pcm, or what.

    here are copy and paste of my post:


    6/9/14
    A little back ground. I redid the top end of my motor, front end, and rebuilt my blower last year. Finished everything up in June. First problem I had was in August at the dreamcruise where my car just suddenly died on me about 1hr into cruising. Let it sit for 30minutes on the side of the road and it started back up. Thought it was ICM or coil just got really hot. Put new acdelco icm and coil on. It still continued to randomly die on me, but the frequency ended up getting higher and heat had nothing to do with it. Sometimes it would sit for 15 minutes and start, other times it had to sit overnight.

    Fast foward to this year, I take it out for the first time and it dies after 5 minutes of driving. I managed to get it home and the next morning it died after I pulled it out of the barn. I couldn't get it running after that at all, so I thought maybe the opti was bad (35k miles on it). I took this opportunity to buy the 24x kit, d585 coils, 0411 pcm (retuned for my car by original tuner). I bought the DIY harness kit from BP automotive.

    I installed everything and no start. Pulled harness back out and double checked and verified everything. Went and bought noid light and spark tester, and I am getting no injector pulse and no spark. I do have voltage to pink coil wires, and pretty sure at the injectors also (been a long frustrating weekend).

    I thought maybe the VATS was not working, so I installed the correct resistor and that changed nothing.

    7/18/14
    Still not running, here is the latest. Sent pcm back to get retuned with a stock 2002 z28 m6 file and modified for my combo by same tuner.

    Crank sensor is working, seeing 10.5v to 0v when rotating engine by hand - not battery voltage. Is that normal? I have email into Efi connection as of a few hours ago.

    When cranking, I get 2 injector pulses on noid light. I hooked up an led to the injector terminal and it was lit up dim constantly. I measured between the 2 terminals and get 6.5v. Pink supply is battery voltage by itself. Injector control wire not shorted to ground.

    Whats next on my troubleshooting? I am left with 2 questions:
    1) is 10.5v normal on the crank sensor signal?
    2)Why the 6.5v between the injector lead terminals?
    Last edited by Rhett954; July 19th, 2014, 08:25 AM.
    1996 z28 vert 6spd, vortech s-trim, ported heads and intake, BTR dual springs, custom intake for supercharger, 24x, 42# injectors, AI 226/234 110lsa, Spec 3+, Konis/stranos. Stock bottom end and stock rearend. 570rwhp - tuned by TJ at Baker Engineering

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    Well I would zero into the things that have nothing to do with the 24x conversion since you had this problem before conversion. Check over the grd terminals on the engine block, also I think the 24X conversion still uses opti for firing order but I am not sure. crank sensor is still original right try swapping that out if you know someone with a 96.
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    • #3
      I think you really need to pull data from the computer with a scanner, cause it really sounds like you might have an input problem. That will be your best starting point. Also i was confused, you do or do not have injector pulse, and you do or do not have spark? Whats missing?

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      • #4
        The best I can get at this point is 2 injector pulses at the initial cranking.

        I am getting zero spark.

        TPS is functioning correctly according to my scanner.

        I have no codes now, or before.

        I did install new ignition switch (not key cylinder) because it was cheap to do.
        1996 z28 vert 6spd, vortech s-trim, ported heads and intake, BTR dual springs, custom intake for supercharger, 24x, 42# injectors, AI 226/234 110lsa, Spec 3+, Konis/stranos. Stock bottom end and stock rearend. 570rwhp - tuned by TJ at Baker Engineering

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        • #5
          Crank sensor is supposed to be battery voltage supply.

          Injectors should be 0 or battery voltage, nothing in between.

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          • #6
            Anyone have a 24x conversion done that would be willing to try my pcm for me? I just went thru my harness again and don't see any issues. I will bring pcm to you.
            1996 z28 vert 6spd, vortech s-trim, ported heads and intake, BTR dual springs, custom intake for supercharger, 24x, 42# injectors, AI 226/234 110lsa, Spec 3+, Konis/stranos. Stock bottom end and stock rearend. 570rwhp - tuned by TJ at Baker Engineering

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            • #7
              Got it running finally - bought a harness thru BP automotive, put in a 3rd pcm, and had to replace the cam and crank sensors. Not sure how I screwed up the wiring but it runs now and is getting dynotuned this week.
              1996 z28 vert 6spd, vortech s-trim, ported heads and intake, BTR dual springs, custom intake for supercharger, 24x, 42# injectors, AI 226/234 110lsa, Spec 3+, Konis/stranos. Stock bottom end and stock rearend. 570rwhp - tuned by TJ at Baker Engineering

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 98blackbeauty View Post
                Well I would zero into the things that have nothing to do with the 24x conversion since you had this problem before conversion. Check over the grd terminals on the engine block, also I think the 24X conversion still uses opti for firing order but I am not sure. crank sensor is still original right try swapping that out if you know someone with a 96.
                The opti is completely gone with the 24x conversion .
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