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    Alright guys, this is really getting frustrating on my end.

    Does everyone remember Bill? 2slow4you? He was a prick, he always bashed everyone, always was negative, and was always a jerk on here. I banned him. Why? Common sense, really. If Bill wanted to dispute it, his was extreme enough that I didn't have to give any reason except for look at his own actions.

    Now let's look at John Smith. Every day he comes on here and cusses all day long, every single post, 3-6 "f-bombs," etc. I'd ban him. He'll complain and ask why. "Well, you're a negative member on the site and you swear way too much for the site's atmosphere." And he'll say "But I never read any rule saying I couldn't swear!" ...Darn, you got me there. There wasn't any rule. I couldn't dispute it. What do I do? Be a prick and leave him banned or be mature and say "Well, you're right, but now you know... i'll unban you." It'll be the 2nd case, and he'll take advantage of it and do something else. I'll ban him, and same thing. No one wins, and the site gets fed up seeing him on here.

    Over the past week, the staff and I created a set of rules. It was my initiative and I take full negativity directed at the rules.

    Last night, we enabled the rules and pushed it out to everyone with a little explanation at the top of the rules.
    As Michigan FBody Association continues to grow, it's our responsibility to establish a set of rules for the forum members to adhere to. We can't realistically expect members to adhere to a set of rules that don't exist. As such, you must accept the following set of rules.
    I thought that was enough until I heard of the discussion between members and mods last night. I'm here to address these things.

    First and foremost, the rules are not being put up to make changes. Nothing changes, at all. The site runs as normal, with something to fall back on if someone gets drastically out of hand. The rules are being put up so if there's a person who continuously is a prick on here I have the ability to fall back and say "Hey, go read the rules... specifically #_ and #_." If they continue to to be a prick, I then can take further action with them in full confidence that they had the chance to read the rules of the site, they were asked to review the rules to refresh their memory, and continued to abuse them.

    Are we going to monitor every bit of conversation on here MORE now that we have rules? No. We're not trigger happy.

    Are we going to use the rules as an excuse all the time? No. We're a family.. I don't want to remove someone from this site unless they truely are a negative member -- like Bill.

    Will I temp ban people who are consistantly being a prick? Sure. Have I? Yes. Has it worked? I'd like to think so. Of the few people I've temporarilly banned, I can say that all of them came back on the site and I never had a problem with them again... except for Bill, and he got banned permanently.

    Guys, I try to give everyone here the utmost respect and dignity. I try to give everyone second chances, and I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. While I am not perfect, I'd like to think I do a good job of this most of the time. Recently, I had a handful of members come to me with an issue, I then discussed the issue with the staff, and then I discussed the issue with that member. I could have just taken action, but I didn't. I went to him in private and asked him his stance on the subject. His response was all that was needed, which was then conveyed back to the members who brought it up, and the staff as well.

    This site is my baby. It's my pride and it's my joy. I've let my responsibilities on this site ruin my personal friendships, I've let my responsibilities on this site almost ruin my relationship with Angie. I can't count on my hands and feet how many times I've gotten a call or text message in the middle of the night and MiFbody being mentioned and getting right up out of bed and checking on the site to see what's going on. You can't total the number of hours I've spent on here trying to keep it running, trying to keep the site up, and trying to bring the latest coolest modifications to the forum to keep everyone entertained or make posting more fun. Likewise, I put a lot of money into this site. The site's YEARLY "Gold" sponsor package doesn't even pay for 1 month of hosting. Why do I do it? Because I love being able to provide everyone a great site for them to enjoy. It absolutely makes me beam with pride when I hear about people meeting up after chatting on the site, or about the yearly MiFbody meetup and how much everyone looks forward to something that I was blessed to create. Do you ever see me openly asking for money? I can only think of one situation, when we went from being $15 per month to $95 per month. The donations were overwhelming, and I honestly shed tears out of being completely humbled by the fact that people were willing to donate. I try my best not to ask anything in return. But tonight, I do have to ask one thing.

    That said, I was really hurt seeing the conversations taking place in the shoutbox last night. Some members were outright bashing the rules, something I put in place to try and BETTER the site. In some cases, comparing MiFbody to LS1Tech. Names won't be mentioned, whoever knows who said what just knows, 'nuff said. Numerous times, it was mentioned to PM me or talk to me about it. But did I receive ONE private message about the rules? No. None. It's almost getting to the point that it's a chore to come on here and try to moderate the fighting, the bickering, the drama. You guys, you know who you are, are the ones ruining the fun.

    Here is my one and only request: If you have a problem with the site, with an individual, with a group of people, with something I've done, with something that is being said in another thread, or with something that is being done to you, PLEASE send me a private message, talk to me on AIM, or call me. I post my phone number on my signature for a reason: To be available to everyone. I do everything for the better of the community here, not to pick on someone and be a jerk. I just ask that you guys give me the respect to send me a PM and talk to me before passing judgement on whatever it is that is bothering you.
    Last edited by meissen; November 8th, 2007, 09:10 PM.
    - Brian Meissen
    Owner, MiFBody.com
    Administrator, LTxTech.com


    1994 Camaro LT1 Transplant - 357ci LT1, cammed, stalled, and driven.
    2022 Camaro LT1 - "Cherry Bomb 2"
    Michigan FBody Meet & Greet Car Show 2022
    June 4th, 2022 - 9am to 3pm!!!
    The HUB Stadium, Auburn Hills, MI

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    I got your back Brian. Couldnt have said it better myself. Do what you gotta do. I see nothing wrong with the rules, and like you said, its your baby.
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    • #3
      It's a site that you created. B, I think I can speak for most of us that we do appreciate it. I think most of us think of each other in the Mifbody as family, and to some extent, a few of you guys practically are. I encourage everyone to abide the rules, use some common sense, and at times, restraint. B, as previous post, you know we got your back. To that, let's go back to talk about Fbodies!

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      • #4
        u rock brian. sorry your upset.

        shape up children!!

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        • #5
          I was on the shout box last night & the remark made about " LS1 Tech ".In my recolection (since I belive I said that,and MAN enough to admit it) did NOT compared it to MiFbody ...

          I said .." DON't let it get LIKE LS1 Tech "

          This is one of the problems ,I THINK ,everybody interpets things differently........


          I have NEVER said anything negative about MiFBody...HELL I'm on here everynite !!!!and enjoy the heck out of it...
          Last edited by MiT/A'96; November 8th, 2007, 10:53 PM.

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          • #6
            I myself never cause any probs with anyone on this site if i do i take it out of the site. Bri you got all the right to be upset i think anyone would be if stuff wasnt being brought up to them. Im cool with the whole rule thing even tho i dont swear that much or disrespect anyone. So Brian keep up the good work with the site i know we all like what your doin

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            • #7
              Your the best B!!! Dont know what i would do without mifbody!!!!!!

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              • #8
                Things seem to have changed to me. The rules were implemented then suddenly for a JOKE I get the post edited and PMed about it. I didn't think it was bashing, just friendly ribbing. I would have said the same thing in person. I'm not one to hold back on what I think. I'll tell you outright what I think and I make no apologies for that. The thing that made me relate to LS1tech was the "no talking about non sponsor products". That's one of the biggest things that pisses me off about LS1tech. It's become a place that hides any new and interesting products unless they become a sponsor. I also hate the power tripping mods over there and hope that doesn't start here. The more rules you implement the more it takes away from the fun and openness of the site. I understand some rules as a CYA for when you have to ban someone, but I thought that when you signed up you had a "terms of use" that you had to agree to. Isn't that enough?

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                • #9
                  I agree with wade on this one, and I will also say i was talking bout the rules on the box. I just think we pretty much need one rule, dont be an asshat. Who is being one is up to you b. I just think some of those rules arnt needed. (example #20) But i do understand the need for some of the others. I would also like to say, I love the site, you did a great job on it, all the people on here rock!
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GETGONE View Post
                    Things seem to have changed to me. The rules were implemented then suddenly for a JOKE I get the post edited and PMed about it. I didn't think it was bashing, just friendly ribbing. I would have said the same thing in person. I'm not one to hold back on what I think. I'll tell you outright what I think and I make no apologies for that. The thing that made me relate to LS1tech was the "no talking about non sponsor products". That's one of the biggest things that pisses me off about LS1tech. It's become a place that hides any new and interesting products unless they become a sponsor. I also hate the power tripping mods over there and hope that doesn't start here. The more rules you implement the more it takes away from the fun and openness of the site. I understand some rules as a CYA for when you have to ban someone, but I thought that when you signed up you had a "terms of use" that you had to agree to. Isn't that enough?
                    What annoyed me with the LS1Tech comments is that everyone on here knows my absolute disgust and hatred for LS1Tech. I would never let our site be like that. The sponsor rule is meant to help support sponsors who paid to be on the site, and will mostly apply if it's a service rather than a product. Honestly, I can't come down on a member for recommending to purchase a part from ebay or another location if it's cheaper at that location. Capitalism at it's best -- get the most you can for the least amount. Likewise, we're also not going to be biased towards our sponsors if they aren't performing up to standards. That said, though, if someone says "Hey... what's a good place to get a turbo?" I'd hope everyone would say "Pace!" Likewise, "Where's a good place on the East side to get a detail done?" "Detail Express!" "Where's a good place to buy detailing supplies?" "Danase!" etc.

                    The terms of use that everyone agreed to when they registered was a very generic, "out of the box" terms of use that comes with vBulletin. Nothing fancy or specific to our site.

                    For rule #20... we're a social site. We're a family. We all joke around and have fun, there's nothing wrong with that. If someone continuously is outright bashing 3rd gens, for example, and a lot of the members are getting upset because this guy is constantly bashing 3rd gens, then tada "Hey.. go read rule #20." Otherwise, jabs and jokes here and there are not going to make us react.. we're not here to stiffle conversation and stiffle people being social. We're just here to make sure that people don't go overboard while they're on here.
                    - Brian Meissen
                    Owner, MiFBody.com
                    Administrator, LTxTech.com


                    1994 Camaro LT1 Transplant - 357ci LT1, cammed, stalled, and driven.
                    2022 Camaro LT1 - "Cherry Bomb 2"
                    Michigan FBody Meet & Greet Car Show 2022
                    June 4th, 2022 - 9am to 3pm!!!
                    The HUB Stadium, Auburn Hills, MI

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                    • #11
                      hang in there B - and try too remember at some point when i do end up breaking most of the rules - its not that i dont like you or the site

                      i'm just a product of a broken home
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                      • #12
                        You do a heck of a lot of stuff for this site Brian, but you shouldn't have to do it all. At some point it should become the responsibility of the users to choose what they read and what threads to subscribe to. For example, If some kid is bashing 3rd gen Firebirds because it's "fun", simply unsubscribe to the thread. Everyone who reads the kids comments knows he's an asshat so why bother you late at night to tell you something everyone already knows?

                        All your work IS appreciated greatly. Keep up the awesome work!
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                        • #13
                          Damn....why ya'all use 3rd gens as examples?


                          LOL....just kidding!

                          Yeah this is the best run site ive ever been on!
                          Sorry to say but its better then our own BayCityRides site. (sorry Don)
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                          • #14
                            I want to start off and say that Brian, I think you have a hell of a site here. I've met some great peps.

                            I don't think the you need to edit a persons comment other than words(fbombs and what not) If someone asks do you like it and the answer is no and a reason is stated than so be it. The rules have always been there,hell the most part they are common sense.


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                            • #15
                              I just felt like those were kinda just gonna be strongly enforced, but i see what you mean now, they arnt really gonna be enforced unless someone is just being ass, and you need a rule to refer them too. Am i right?
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