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    Thirdgen FAQ

    The third generation of the F-Body was introduced for 1982, as a major redesign with a more modern look and a lighter, better-handling car. In a move that would later happen across almost all GM models, the Firebird switched from Pontiac-designed engines to the same Chevrolet engines that powered the Camaro. This was also the only generation of F-Body to be available with a four-cylinder, the Iron Duke. The last Firebird to be built with an engine not available in the Camaro was the 1989 Turbo Trans Am, which had a turbocharged 3.8 L Buick V6, derived from the Buick Regal.

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    Drivetrain
    RPO Codes

    Q:What parts will interchange between third and fourth generation FBodies?
    A:Rear suspensions are identical (lower control arms, panhard rods, torque arms), rear ends will also interchange physicaly (fourth generation are 2" or so wider, and can have ABS / ASR). Center consoles can also be swapped in from a fourth gen with light modification, seats are bolt in, dashboard fits but requires extensive modification, door panels can be made to fit. Fourth generation "LS1" brakes are also a common swap on to third gen's.

    Q:What is there to making my fuel injected third generation FBody carburated?
    A:The biggest hurdle is fuel delivery. Fuel injected third gens use fuel pressures higher then what carburetors can tolerate. To resolve this you can use a return style 3 port fuel pressure regulator. A better way of doing this is to just dump the stock fuel pump in exchange for a pump made for a carburetor. Either way slight wiring modification is necessary as normally the computer controls the fuel pump activation. On dual fan cars, the computer controlled fan needs to be rewired to a temperature or manual switch on the dash. Also, you need to swap to a regular style distributor rather then a computer controlled one.

    Q:My TH700R4 automatic transmission is acting weird, whats up?
    A:The TH700R4 is controlled by a Throttle Valve (TV) cable that attaches to the throttle body. This cable controls part throttle shift points and shift firmness, and the entire transmissions behavior in general. To use the "auto adjust" you press the metal tab in and slide the plastic sleeve of the cable all the way down, then release the metal tab. Then you extend the throttle body from closed to wide open a couple times, you should hear some clicks as the cable adjusts. More often then not this doesnt work (for me at least), and I have to set the cable on my own. I have found that the farther in the cable is, the higher RPM the tranny will shift at (it can get pretty rediculous). If the cable is too far out, the tranny will shift at really low RPMs. It should be noted that a TV cable way out of adjustment can tear up your transmission.
    Last edited by MattODoom; August 3rd, 2006, 12:14 PM.

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    Links & Resources

    General Sites
    http://thirdgen.org
    http://www.thirdgenusa.com/
    http://www.gtasourcepage.com/

    Parts and Supplies
    http://hawksthirdgenparts.com

    Galleries
    http://www.omnipotent-goku.com/iroc/gallery/index.php
    Last edited by MattODoom; July 23rd, 2006, 10:28 PM.

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      Models
      Camaro lineup:

      RS - Rally Sport - looks package / v8 option
      Type LT - Luxury Touring - short run in '87 (just 794)
      SC - Sport Coupe
      Z28 - Performance
      Berlinetta - Luxury (discontinued during '86)
      IROC - International Race of Champions '85-'90


      Firebird lineup included the base Firebird, Formula, Firehawk, Trans Am, Recaro T/A and the GTA.
      Last edited by MattODoom; July 24th, 2006, 07:06 PM.

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        Drivetrain Options

        Engines
        The engine code is the 8th digit of the VIN, here is the list
        H LG4 - "low output" (compared to L69) 305
        7 LU5 - CFI "Cross Fire Injection" 305
        E L03 - "low output" (compared to LB9) 305
        G L69 - "high output" 305
        F LB9 - 305 Tunedport
        8 L98 - 350 Tunedport
        2 LQ9 - "Iron Duke" 2.5L I-4
        1 LC1 - V-6
        S LB8
        T LH0
        7 LC2 - Buick 3.8 SFI Turbo

        Transmissions
        Early thirdgens were optioned with either a three speed automatic (THM350) or a four speed manual, then later a four speed auto (700R-4) or five speed manual (T5 and WC T5). It was impossible to get a T-5 five speed manual with a 5.7L engine.

        Driveshafts
        Most driveshafts were steel, although aluminum driveshafts did come on some cars such as GTA's and 1LE cars (z28's have them?)

        Rear-end
        The standard rear-end was the GM 10-bolt 7.5". It was available with a number of gear ratios and posi-traction.
        Most 5.7L cars recieved the Australian Borg-Warner 9bolt rear, which is said to be somewhat stronger then a 10", but it is hard to find parts for.
        Last edited by 81DaytonaPaceCar; December 12th, 2008, 04:52 PM.

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          Other Options
          If I am missing some (I know I am) feel free to PM me or reply to the thread

          AAA -- Standard Equipment
          AA8 -- Rear Compartment Lid, Notchback
          AH3 -- Seat Adjuster, Manual 4-Way Driver
          AK1 -- Seat Belts, Custom FR and RR
          AM9 -- Rear Seat, Split Fold-Down
          AU3 -- Door Locks, Power
          A31 -- Windows, Power
          B2L -- Engine Package, 5.7L V8 TPI
          BC8 -- Ornamentation, Interior Door Pocket
          BY4 -- Ornamentation, Instrument Panel Name Plate
          B20 -- Ornamentation, Interior (Luxury)
          B35 -- Floor Mats, FR and RR
          B84 -- Moldings, Vinyl Bodyside
          CC1 -- Roof Panels, Hatch (Removable)
          CD2 -- Indicator, Windshield Washer Fluid
          C49 -- Defroster, Rear Window, Electric
          C60 -- Air Conditioning, Custom
          C67 -- Air Conditioning, Electronic
          DD8 -- Mirror, Inside Automatic Rearview
          DD9 -- Mirror, Outside LH and RH, Electric, Breakaway
          DG7 -- Mirror, Outside LH and RH, Electric
          DE4 -- Sunshade, Hatch Roof, Removable
          D34 -- Mirror, Inside, Sunshade
          D3Y -- Gear, Speedometer Driven
          D42 -- Cargo Screen, Rear
          D4D -- Gear, Speedometer Driven (25513047)
          D5T -- Gear, Speedometer Driven
          D80 -- Spoiler, Rear Deck Lid
          D81 -- Spoiler, Rear Aero Wing
          D9E -- Sensor, Vehicle Speed
          E5Z -- Adapter, Speedometer (Delete)
          E9Z -- Key, Speedometer (Delete)
          FE2 -- Suspension System, Ride and Handling
          GM3 -- Rear Axle Ratio (3.45)
          GW6 -- Rear Axle Ratio (3.27)
          G80 -- Axle, Rear Limited-Slip
          JG1 -- Shaft, Propeller (Aluminum)
          J65 -- Brakes, Power FR and RR Disc
          KC4 -- Cooler, Engine Oil
          K34 -- Cruise Control, Electronic
          K68 -- Generator, 105-Ampere
          LB9 -- Engine, 5.0L V8 TPI
          L98 -- Engine, 5.7L V8 TPI
          MD8 -- Transmission, Automatic Overdrive
          MK6 -- Transmission, 5-Speed Manual
          MM5 -- Transmission, 5-Speed Manual Provisions
          MXO -- Transmission, Automatic Overdrive Provisions
          NA5 -- Emissions, Federal Requirements
          NB2 -- Emissions, California Requirements
          NK4 -- Steering Wheel, Sport Leather-Wrapped
          NN5 -- Emissions, California Override
          N33 -- Steering Wheel, Tilt
          N64 -- Spare Wheel and Tire, Aluminum Space Saver
          N65 -- Spare Wheel and Tire, Stowaway
          PB4 -- Lock Kit, Aluminum Wheel
          PW7 -- Wheels, 16" Aluminum Diamond-Spoke
          QDZ -- Tires, 245/50-VR16 Radial
          R1E -- Package, V.I.P. Plus
          TR9 -- Lamp Group, Courtesy
          T93 -- Lamps, Tail and Stop, Smoked Lens
          T96 -- Lamps, Front Fog
          UA6 -- System, Theft Deterrent
          UK3 -- System, electreonic, Accessory Controls
          UQ1 -- Radio, Stereo Installation Provisions
          UQ7 -- Speaker System, Subwoofer
          UT1 -- Buzzer, Tone Generator Warning
          UT4 -- Radio, AM/FM, Cassette, Equalizer, Clock, (Steering Wheel Controls)
          UW1 -- System, Diagnostic Checks
          U21 -- Cluster, Instrument (Oil, Coolant Temp, Volt, Tach)
          U29 -- Lamp, Interior, Instrument Panel Courtesy
          U52 -- Instrument Cluster, Electronic
          U66 -- Speakers, Dual FR Dash, Dual Extended-Range RR
          U75 -- Anntenna, Power Automatic
          VAN -- Van Nuys, CA Assembly Plant
          VK3 -- Mounting, Front License Plate
          VG8 -- Label, Notice To Buyer
          WS4 -- Merchandising Option Package, Trans Am
          WS6 -- Suspension, Special Performance
          YS1 -- Seat, Custom Rear
          Y11 -- Ring Gear, 10.50 Diameter, Dana Rear Axle
          Y84 -- GTA Option Package
          40U -- Exterior Color, White
          41U -- Exterior Color, Black
          74U -- Exterior Color, Flame Red Metallic
          81U -- Exterior Color, Bright Red
          87U -- Exterior Color, Gunmetal Metallic
          19D -- Trim Combination, Black Cloth
          192 -- Trim Combination, Black Leather
          66D -- Trim Combination, Beechwood Cloth
          662 -- Trim Combination, Beechwood Leather
          82D -- Trim Combination, Medium Dark Grey Cloth
          822 -- Trim Combination, Medium Dark Grey Leather
          Last edited by MattODoom; July 23rd, 2006, 10:58 PM.

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