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  • Researching the 89 TTA...

    Story time.

    I acquired the 89 last August. Since that time, I've been trying to run down exactly what it is.

    No, Pontiac Historical Services isn't good enough...I've got that.

    My only savior in all this is Jan Larson, a noted 89 TTA expert who has been assisting further research.

    This particular car was the #11 built for Pontiac by PAS in City of Industry, California.

    It was also the #55 Festival car for Indy that year.

    We've confirmed that it was on one of the first 3 trucks that delivered cars to the Speedway seen here...thanks YouTube...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1iq0VkmojM

    One of those is it...lol...

    And this is where I running out of options.

    Indy never kept track of VINs...they literally just unloaded the cars from the truck and numbered them...and they marked them in two ways.

    1. They "identified" them by the VIN...by grease pencil or by stickers (ala Berger cars for example). This was likely a "sticker" car but unconfirmed.

    2. They wrote the number in black Sharpie magic marker on the rear fascia underneath where the license plate would mount.

    The original rear fascia is still on the car with the number "55" still visible...soon to be coming off and bubble wrapped with a replacement going on...lol...

    It's also been confirmed as a Track car (actually saw track time), and may be a Parade car (ferried drivers around the track before the race). If it is a Parade car, the number could indicate that it would have carried a driver who qualified between #10 and #15, depending on how many VIPs took up the first cars (James Garner and the Speedway Princess were two of them).

    Running out of avenues...nobody kept any records...

    A work in progress...

    Originally posted by Redd8407
    I WANT NOISE! SPEED! AN ENGINE THAT SHAKES MY INTERNAL ORGANS LIKE THEY GOT PARKINSON'S! I DONT WANT AN ENGINE THAT IS PARTIALLY POWERED BY MY LAPTOP BATTERY!
    Originally posted by Z28ISGR8
    WHY THE F*CK IS THERE A GOAT ON A FERRARI?
    Originally posted by Darren
    I think it is because I take it in and out all the time, the rubber has just stretched out, especially at the bottom where it is really thin. It annoys me more then anything.

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    that's pretty crazy man. especially that the numbers are still on the rear bumper after this many years.
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    • #3
      Thats pretty sweet Jeff, Keep us posted!
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      • #4
        Why take the bumper off and replace it? I'd rather have it unmolested on the car yet.

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        • #5
          That's awesome, Jeff! Got any pics of the sharpie?
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          • #6
            cool history!
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            • #7
              Originally posted by GETGONE View Post
              Why take the bumper off and replace it? I'd rather have it unmolested on the car yet.
              Good question.

              It has to do with almost getting rear ended last year...I lose the rear fascia, and I lose all traces to it's originality.

              As they only marked the original windshield (which is gone) and the rear fascia...which is still intact, and as Indy never kept any records of VINs, replacing it seemed the prudent thing to do.

              I have found that I can count the pseudo-authentisized track cars on just my fingers...

              I've got a few pics, but as I'm currently sitting in the Houston airport on my way to jolly ol' Mexico again, it will have to wait a few days...lol...
              Originally posted by Redd8407
              I WANT NOISE! SPEED! AN ENGINE THAT SHAKES MY INTERNAL ORGANS LIKE THEY GOT PARKINSON'S! I DONT WANT AN ENGINE THAT IS PARTIALLY POWERED BY MY LAPTOP BATTERY!
              Originally posted by Z28ISGR8
              WHY THE F*CK IS THERE A GOAT ON A FERRARI?
              Originally posted by Darren
              I think it is because I take it in and out all the time, the rubber has just stretched out, especially at the bottom where it is really thin. It annoys me more then anything.

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              • #8
                I don't blame you Jeff for putting on a replacement facia......all you need is to have some 17 year old girl yapping on her cell phone to rear end you one sunny summer day
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                • #9
                  yea thats a good call Jeff. Ive avoided getting rear-ended in my car twice now. The first time i saw it coming in advance and had my car tached up ready to go... as soon as she got so close i just had to let the clutch out and kick it into the turn lane! Stupid soccer mom on her cell phone... She managed to stop within 6 inches of the car that was in front of me.
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                  • #10
                    keep up the good work buddy

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                    • #11
                      That's awesome that you know all of that. I feel very lucky to know as much as I do about my car since I got it from the original owner and have all the records.

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                      • #12
                        damn jeff.. youve already done a lot of research




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                        • #13
                          Jeff have you contacted Howard Kirchenbauer, if my memory serves me correctly he has been involved with the indy pacecar/festival car program in some shape or form since about 1978.

                          I think this is the right address hkirchenbauer@sbcglobal.net
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by WMCC Gary View Post
                            Jeff have you contacted Howard Kirchenbauer, if my memory serves me correctly he has been involved with the indy pacecar/festival car program in some shape or form since about 1978.

                            I think this is the right address hkirchenbauer@sbcglobal.net
                            Sweet, Gary, you da man!
                            Originally posted by Redd8407
                            I WANT NOISE! SPEED! AN ENGINE THAT SHAKES MY INTERNAL ORGANS LIKE THEY GOT PARKINSON'S! I DONT WANT AN ENGINE THAT IS PARTIALLY POWERED BY MY LAPTOP BATTERY!
                            Originally posted by Z28ISGR8
                            WHY THE F*CK IS THERE A GOAT ON A FERRARI?
                            Originally posted by Darren
                            I think it is because I take it in and out all the time, the rubber has just stretched out, especially at the bottom where it is really thin. It annoys me more then anything.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 81DaytonaPaceCar View Post
                              Sweet, Gary, you da man!
                              Your welcome Jeff.

                              Howard has done presentations for us ar CSF in the past. He is VERY knowlegdeable of the program. I sure he will be a guest Speaker and have a presentation at the show in September.
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