meth injection on a NA car.

[97firehawk]

makes sense to me. call your tuner, ask what he thinks

I will call the local guys and see if they have tryed it that way but they do a lot of forced induction cars and I've never seen them use meth I've seen them use nitrous tho in a blower app but it can't hert .

[DETROITMUSCLE]

why not give it a shot and let us know how it goes, nobody was bashing the idea you asked for opinions and thats what you got. If it makes more power or helps heat soak ect then your ahead of the crowd.

[97firehawk]

why not give it a shot and let us know how it goes, nobody was bashing the idea you asked for opinions and thats what you got. If it makes more power or helps heat soak ect then your ahead of the crowd.

No I didn't think you were bashing me I felt that. You Wernt really seing what I was really trying to gain from it not huge power but to keep it running the same everytime even in hot weather Hell if I want power I will just spray it . And I think I mite just give it a go I will talk with a buddy tonite and se what he can get me a pump for and make it myself and se what I get from it ile even take it to the dyno to see if there is any change in runs I'm sure it won't be much if any but more noticeable on these smoldering hot days .

[97firehawk]

By the way thing almost never come out rite when I'm talkin so I'm not tryin to be a ass and I Probly should have worded things different in the beginning.

[DETROITMUSCLE]

By the way thing almost never come out rite when I'm talkin so I'm not tryin to be a ass and I Probly should have worded things different in the beginning.

no need to clarify I bet I sound like an ******* on here more often than not but its the internet and nobody can see me smiling and laughing to myself so oh well.

[Nocooler]

If you can up the timing and pull enough fuel it will make more power - but there isn't a easy way to add the fuel back in when the meth runs out.

It's great on turbo cars where you can drop the boost when the meth gets low.

After a run in my buick the up-pipe and intake would be cool to the touch or have condensation on it. I miss those days - nothing like rolling around with lots of boost and timing, made the car almost to violent.

[c0ncEpT]

What your saying makes sense. Cooler air makes more power. Just by duplicating the intake charge temperature your not going to "Run more consistent" per say.

A temperature of 50 degrees with a relative humidity of 50% and 30" of baro pressure is going to be faster than 50 degrees 60% humidity and 28" of baro pressure period.

Not trying to bash you but it juts seems like a lot of work for a minimal gain.

But hey try it and let us know how it works. Exploration is the gateway to innovation.

[97firehawk]

2. Can the Boost Cooler be applied to naturally aspirated and nitrous engines? • Naturally aspirated/high compression engines: Water/Methanol injection allows the use of pump fuel in all but the most extreme situations which effects tremendous cost savings as well as horsepower increases due to air density increase and higher timing advance potential.

• Engines using nitrous: With nitrous, water/methanol injection allows the use of more timing advance even with large (250HP+) quantities. The cooling effect of the water/methanol inside the combustion chamber also makes for reduced peak combustion temperatures.

• Naturally aspirated/stock compression: With naturally aspirated engines using less than 10:1 compression, water/methanol is used often in warm climates to get the intake temps lower. Benefits include: 10-15 HP increases from air density increases and full timing as well as more effective air/fuel ratios, increased gas mileage, and carbon free combustion chambers.

While power gains are typically less in stock compression naturally aspirated vehicles compared to high compression or forced induction engines, benefits can still be realized due to more timing advance, leaner air/fuel ratios, cleaner engine components, lower temperatures, and the use of the methanol in the injection fluid as a secondary fuel source.
Just something I found on snows website.

[97firehawk]

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Water/Alcohol/Methanol Pump Options All of these pumps are excellent and will

perform well for a long time. Choose the one that best suits your needs. For high boost/big engine cars and/or methanol use, go with a pump from one of the vendors who specilize in high performance pumps below.

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SHURflo pump #8009-541-236

Northern Tool click to view/order $59.99

60psi 1.0 GPM, Mounts in any position, adjustable demand switch (pressure can be increased to 80-100psi), Viton valves and Santoprene diaphragm to resist corrosion. Compatible with 100% water or 50/50 water and denatured alcohol. This pump is extremely reliable. I have been using them since 1999 with no failures or problems whatsoever.

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SHURflo pump #8009-543-236

Northern Tool click to view/order $79.99

60psi 1.8 GPM, Mounts in any position, adjustable demand switch (pressure can be increased to 80-100psi), Viton valves and Santoprene diaphragm to resist corrosion. Compatible with 100% water or 50/50 water and denatured alcohol. Similar to the one above, but with a higher GPM rating.

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Devil's Own pump

Devil's Own click to view/order $99.95 150psi, Methanol Compatible. View Item

CoolingMist pump

CoolingMist.com click to view/order $139.95 200psi, Methanol Compatible. I use this pump in my 500+hp car and it has performed flawlessly for years. View Item

Spray Nozzle Options There have been many new purpose built spray nozzles available in the

last few years. Below are two types that I've had very good results with. The main difference between the two types below is cost and ease of install. The McMaster-Carr nozzles are inexpensive, perform well, but require more fittings to install. The CoolingMist fittings are 6 times the cost of a McMaster-Carr unit, but are easier to install and are great performers. If you're unsure on the best nozzle size for you, start smaller and work your way up.

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Small Nozzle P/N 3178K75 McMaster Carr $4.00 3.1gph@40psi, 5.0gph@100psi. Good for small displacement engines in the 150-300hp range. View Item

Medium Nozzle P/N 3178K76 McMaster Carr $4.00 6.32gph@40psi, 10.0gph@100psi. Good for small displacement engines in the 200-450hp range. View Item

Large Nozzle P/N 3178K77 McMaster Carr $4.00 9.49gph@40psi, 15.0gph@100psi. Good for a large displacement engines making more than 400hp. View Item

CoolingMist.com Nozzles various sizes

CoolingMist.com Nozzles $23.95

Sized from 1.3-12gph. Great quality with fewer fittings to install than the McMaster-Carr units. Pricey if you are unsure of what nozzle size you need though. Thankfully, they provide detailed flow data for each nozzle on their website.

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Electrical

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Water Solenoid McMaster Carr @$42.50

P/N# 7876K12 Route after the pump, before the nozzle. Assures that NO water will be sucked in until the switch activates and opens the solenoid. If you want a less expensive option, you can use a simple checkvalve. They can be found on the McMaster Carr website, from water injection vendors, as well as other sources. I am not including any additional information on checkvalves since I have no personal experience with them.

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Hobbs Pressure Switch

Napa Auto Parts $28.50

P/N# 701-1575 This switch IS adjustable! Pop off the rubber cap on one end and adjust away! As an alternative, you can use electrical pressure switches. I've only used the hobbs switch above, so make sure you get a good, quality part if going this route.

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Automotive 12V 30 Amp Relay

Radio Shack $5.00 P/N# 275-226 View Item

2 Blade Type Fuse Holders

Radio Shack $4.00 P/N# 270-1213 View Item

3 pack 20Amp Blade Type Fuses

Radio Shack $1.30 (2) P/N# 270-1083 View Item

Lighted (or regular) On/Off Switch

Radio Shack $2.70 (2) P/N# 275-706 View Item

Assorted Electrical Connectors

Auto Parts Store @$5.00 n/a No Image

12 Guage Wire Black/Red

Auto Parts Store $3.00 n/a No Image

Water/alcohol plumbing These items will be used to connect the supply tank to the pump,

the pump to the solenoid and the solenoid to the nozzle.

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Brass Fitting Auto Parts Store @$3.00 Brass-Tite! #43033, used for nozzle mount assembly View Item

Brass Fitting Auto Parts Store @$3.00 Brass-Tite! #43231, used for nozzle mount assembly View Item

(6) 3/8" Brass Fittings Parts Store @$12.00 Brass-Tite! #43075, used for pump, water tank, water solenoid and nozzle mount assembly. View Item

3/8 Fuel Injection Hose & Clamps

Auto Parts Store @$15.00 Use high pressure fuel injection hose only! No Image

Small O-Ring Gasket

Auto Parts Store/Home Depot $1.00 To seal any gap between throttle body elbow and nozzle mount. No Image

Water/Alcohol Tank.

I've used the stock washer fluid reservoir in many cars since it's a decent size and already mounted in the engine bay. Another inexpensive option is the coolant overflow jugs found at most parts stores. Lastly, you can go to your local "U-pull-it" salvage yard and find a nice jug out of an 80's import that will work perfectly. Price? $5.00-$15.00 Either way, insert a 3/8" fitting into the tank for free flow to the pump. Don't forget to use silicone on the threads of the fitting. Click Here to see photos and get more info about your tank options.

Miscellaneous Parts Last but not least, here are the remaining items you'll need.

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Denatured Alcohol Home Depot $10.00/gallon Only if you're using a 50/50 alcohol/water mix. View Item

Distilled Water Grocery Store $1.00/gallon Use only distilled water, no tap water. No Image

Vacuum Tee Parts Store @$1.00 Used to tap into a boost/vacuum hose on your engine. After tapping run a vacuum hose from the open end of the vacuum tee to the open end of the pressure switch.

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