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  • Need Torque Specs and Clearances PLZ.

    I need the Torque specs for Crank Main Caps and Rod Caps for a 3800 II V6, also need (Oil) Bearing Clearances for said Main and Rod Caps.

    Maybe there is a good list somewhere but I have not found it yet. Thank you!

  • #2
    Originally posted by phoenix_rising View Post
    I need the Torque specs for Crank Main Caps and Rod Caps for a 3800 II V6, also need (Oil) Bearing Clearances for said Main and Rod Caps.

    Maybe there is a good list somewhere but I have not found it yet. Thank you!

    Bump! Somebody has to have a service manual laying around...

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    • #3
      This is right from the General Motors Service Manual.
      Hope it helps and good luck with your build.


      Engine Mechanical Specifications
      Application
      Specifications
      Metric
      English

      General Data
      • Engine Type
      90° V-6
      • Displacement
      --

      231 cu in
      • Liter (VIN)
      3.8 (K)
      • RPO
      L36
      • Bore
      96.52 mm

      3.8 in
      • Stroke
      86.36 mm

      3.4 in
      • Compression Ratio
      9.4:1
      • Firing Order
      1-6-5-4-3-2
      • Oil Pressure @ Operating Temperature
      414 kPa
      60 psi min

      Cylinder Bore
      • Diameter
      96.5 mm

      3.8 in
      • Out Of Round Maximum
      0.0254 mm

      00.001 in
      • Taper
      0.0254 mm
      0.001 in

      Piston
      • Clearance (39 mm from top of piston)
      .010-0.051 mm
      0.0004-0.0020 in
      Piston Compression Ring

      Piston Ring Groove Depth
      • Top Compression
      4.019-4.14 mm

      0.158-0.163 in
      • 2nd Compression
      4.214-4.341 mm
      0.0166-0.171 in

      Piston Ring End Gap
      • Top Compression
      0.305-0.559 mm

      0.012-0.022 in
      • 2nd Compression
      0.762-1.016 mm
      0.030-0.040 in

      Piston Ring Side Clearance
      • Top Compression
      0.033-0.079 mm

      0.0013-0.0031 in
      • 2nd Compression
      0.033-0.079 mm
      0.0013-0.0031 in

      Piston Ring Width
      • Top Compression
      1.176-1.197 mm

      0.0463-0.0471 in
      • 2nd Compression
      1.476-1.497 mm
      0.0581-0.0589 in

      Piston Oil Ring
      • Piston Ring Groove Depth
      3.814-3.941 mm

      0.150-0.155 in
      • Piston Ring End Gap
      0.254-0.762 mm

      0.010-0.030 in
      • Piston Ring Side Clearance
      0.023-0.201 mm

      0.0009-0.0079 in
      • Piston Ring Width
      1.854-2.007 mm
      0.073-0.079 in

      Piston Pin
      • Diameter
      21.9950-22.0000 mm

      0.8659-0.8661 in
      • Clearance in Piston
      0.0020-0.0130 mm

      0.00008-0.00051 in
      • Fit In Rod (Clearance)
      0.0066-0.0217 mm
      0.0003-0.0009 in

      Crankshaft-Main Bearings
      • Journal Diameter-All
      63.470-63.495 mm

      2.4988-2.4998 in
      • Taper-Maximum
      0.0008 mm

      0.0003 in
      • Out-of-Round-Maximum
      0.0008 mm

      0.0003 in
      • Crankshaft Bearing Clearance
      0.020-0.055 mm

      0.0008-0.0022 in
      • Crankshaft End Play
      0.076-0.279 mm
      0.003-0.011 in

      Connecting Rod
      • Diameter
      57.117-57.147 mm

      2.2487-2.2499 in
      • Taper-Maximum
      0.008 mm

      0.0003 in
      • Out-of-Round
      0.008 mm

      0.0003 in
      • Rod Bearing Clearance
      0.020-0.055 mm

      0.0008-0.0022 in
      • Rod Side Clearance
      0.076-0.381 mm
      0.003-0.015 in

      Camshaft
      • Journal Diameter
      45.339-45.364 mm

      1.7865-1.7885 in
      • Bearing Inside Diameter
      45.377-45.428 mm

      1.7865-1.7885 in
      • Bearing to Journal Clearance
      0.013-0.089 mm
      0.0005-0.0035 in

      Camshaft Lobe Lift
      • Intake Maximum
      6.43 mm

      0.250 in
      • Exhaust Maximum
      6.48 mm
      0.255 in

      Balance Shaft
      • End Play
      0.0-0.203 mm

      0.0-0.008 in
      • Radial Play-Front
      0.0-0.028 mm

      0.0-0.0011 in
      • Radial Play-Rear
      0.0127-0.119 mm

      0.0005-0.0047 in
      • Drive Gear Lash
      0.050-0.127 mm

      0.002-0.005 in
      • Bearing Bore Diameter-Front
      51.973-51.999 mm

      2.0462-2.0472 in
      • Bearing Bore Diameter-Rear
      49.530-49.580
      mm
      1.950-1.952 in

      Valve System
      • Lifter
      Hydraulic
      • Rocker Arm Ratio
      1.6:1
      • Face Angle
      45 degrees
      • Seat Angle
      45 degrees
      • Minimum Margin
      0.635 mm

      0.025 in
      • Seat Runout-Maximum
      0.050 mm

      0.002 in
      • Seat Width Intake
      1.53-2.03 mm

      0.060-0.080 in
      • Seat Width Exhaust
      2.29-2.79 mm

      0.090-0.110 in
      • Stem Height All
      49.15-50.17 mm

      1.935-1.975 in
      • Stem Clearance All
      0.038-0.089 mm
      0.0015-0.0032 in

      Valve Spring
      • Free Length
      50.32 mm

      1.981 in
      • Load (Closed)
      356 N @ 43.69 mm

      80 lb @ 1.75 in
      • Load (Open)
      935 N @ 33.4 mm

      210 lb @ 1.315 in
      • Installed Height
      42.93-44.45 mm

      1.690-1.720 in
      • Approximate Number of Coils
      4

      Flywheel
      • Runout-Maximum
      0.38 mm
      0.015 in

      Oil Pump
      • Gear Pocket Depth
      11.71-11.75 mm

      0.461-0.4625 in
      • Gear Pocket Diameter
      Last edited by gary; July 16th, 2010, 08:00 AM.
      97 30th anv Z28 Lt1 Ported Heads and Intake, small Cam, LT's, SLP LM1 w/power flow conversion and cut out, Stalled A4, 3.73, 125 shot or so......... Custom EVI Tune and more to come...... SOLD
      1971 Suburban work in progress
      1969 Mach 1 In restoration process
      Waiting to find the right Fbody

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      • #4
        Piston, Connecting Rod, and Bearing Installation
        Tools Required

        J 36660-A Torque Angle Meter
        J 8037 Piston Ring Compressor
        J 41507 Connecting Rod Guide Assembly
        1. <LI type=1>Position the crankshaft so the connecting rod journal is opposite the piston and connecting rod assembly being installed. This will aid in the installation of the connecting rod assembly. <LI type=1>Lubricate the cylinder wall with engine oil. <LI type=1>Install the connecting rod bearing inserts. <LI type=1>Lubricate the connecting rod bearing insert surface with engine oil.


          <LI type=1>Install J 41507 to the connecting rod. Hand tighten the tool to the connecting rod. <LI type=1>Install J 8037 to the piston. Notice: Guide the lower connecting rod end carefully to avoid damaging the crankshaft journal.



          <LI type=1>Use J 8037 to compress the piston rings for installation of the piston and connecting rod assembly. <LI type=1>Install the piston and connecting rod assembly into the engine. Important:: Ensure the arrow on top of the piston or the markings made during removal face towards the front of the engine or are in the same location as when removed.
          <LI type=1>Use J 41507 to pull the connecting rod into place. <LI type=1>Remove J 41507 .


          <LI type=1>Install the connecting rod bearing cap. Notice: This bolt is designed to permanently stretch when tightened, and therefore MUST be replaced anytime it is removed. The correct part number fastener must be used to replace this type of fastener. Do not use a bolt that is stronger in this application. If the correct bolt is not used, the parts will not be tightened correctly. The system or the components may be damaged.
          Notice: Use the correct fastener in the correct location. Replacement fasteners must be the correct part number for that application. Fasteners requiring replacement or fasteners requiring the use of thread locking compound or sealant are identified in the service procedure. Do not use paints, lubricants, or corrosion inhibitors on fasteners or fastener joint surfaces unless specified. These coatings affect fastener torque and joint clamping force and may damage the fastener. Use the correct tightening sequence and specifications when installing fasteners in order to avoid damage to parts and systems.
          <LI type=1>Install the connecting rod bearing cap bolts. Tighten
          Tighten the connecting rod bearing cap bolts to 27 N·m (20 lb ft) + 50 degrees using J 36660-A .
        2. Pry the connecting rod back and forth and check for binding. If necessary loosen and retighten the connecting rod bearing cap.
        97 30th anv Z28 Lt1 Ported Heads and Intake, small Cam, LT's, SLP LM1 w/power flow conversion and cut out, Stalled A4, 3.73, 125 shot or so......... Custom EVI Tune and more to come...... SOLD
        1971 Suburban work in progress
        1969 Mach 1 In restoration process
        Waiting to find the right Fbody

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        • #5
          Crankshaft Bearing Replacement
          <A href="http://gsi.xw.gm.com/si/showDoc.do?docSyskey=52737&cellId=41902&pubObjSysk ey=52737&from=sm&pubCellSyskey=41902&deliveryEffec tiveDate=Jul+1%2C+2010#ss1-52737">Removal Procedure

          Tools Required

          J 41348 Main Bearing Cap Puller
          J 8080 Main Bearing Shell Remover
          J 36660-A Torque Angle Meter
          Crankshaft bearings are a precision insert type. If clearances are found to be excessive, a new bearing, both upper and lower halves, will be required. Service bearings are available in standard size and undersize. Replace both bearing shells as a set.
          1. <LI type=1>Remove the oil pan. Refer to Oil Pan Replacement . <LI type=1>Remove the oil pump screen. Refer to Oil Pump Suction Pipe and Screen Assembly Replacement .


            <LI type=1>Remove the spark plugs.


            <LI type=1>Remove bearing cap side bolts. <LI type=1>Remove bearing cap bolts. <LI type=1>Remove the bearing cap using the J 41348 . <LI type=1>Remove the lower crankshaft bearing. <LI type=1>Insert the J 8080 into the oil hole in the crankshaft journal. <LI type=1>Rotate the crankshaft allowing for the J 8080 to push against the insert's straight, unnotched side. This will role the upper bearing out of the block. <LI type=1>Remove the J 8080 from the crankshaft. <LI type=1>The lower half of the crankshaft bearing insert (except the number one bearing) shows a greater wear and most distress from fatigue. If upon inspection the lower half is suitable for use it can be assumed that the upper half is also satisfactory. If the lower half shows evidence of wear or damage, both upper and lower halves should be replaced. Never replace one half without replacing the other half.
            Important:
            In order to obtain the most accurate results when checking the crankshaft bearing clearances, use gauging plastic.
            When the engine is in the vehicle, the crankshaft must be supported upward in order to remove any clearance from the upper bearing. The total clearance can then be measured between the lower bearing journal.
            In order to ensure proper seating of the crankshaft, all bearing cap bolts should be at their specified torque. Clean the crankshaft journal and bearing surfaces of oil prior to checking the bearings fit.

            <LI type=1>With the oil pan and oil pump screen removed, and starting with the rear crankshaft bearing, remove the bearing cap using the J 41348 Main Bearing Cap Puller. Important: Do not rotate the crankshaft while the gauging plastic is between the bearing and the journal.
            <LI type=1>Place a piece of gauging plastic full width or the bearing, parallel to the crankshaft, on the journal. <LI type=1>Install the bearing cap and evenly tighten the retaining bolts to specifications in order to ensure a proper reading. Variations in torque affect the compression of the gauging plastic. Important: Begin to tighten the bearing cap bolts by hand. Tighten all of the bearing caps in equal increments. Do not tighten one cap completely at a time.
            <LI type=1>Use the following procedure to tighten the fasteners:
            Tighten
            1. <LI type=1>Tighten the bearing cap bolts to 70 N·m (52 lb ft) to fully seat the caps. <LI type=1>Loosen the bearing cap bolts 360 degrees CCW. <LI type=1>Tighten the crankshaft bearing cap bolts to 20 N·m (15 lb ft), then to 40 N·m (30 lb ft), then use the J 36660-A in order to rotate the bolts in order 35 degrees + 35degrees + 40degrees, for a total of 110 degrees.
            2. Tighten the crankshaft bearing cap sid bolts to 15 N·m (11 lb ft). Use the J 36660-A in order to rotate the bolts an additional 45degrees.
            <LI type=1>Remove the bearing caps. <LI type=1>Without removing the gauging plastic, measure its compressed width (at the lowest point) with graduations on the gauging plastic envelope. Normally the crankshaft bearing journals wear evenly and are not out-of-round. However, if a bearing is being fitted to an out-of-round journal 0.005 mm (0.0002 in) maximum, ensure to fit the bearing to the maximum diameter of the journal. If the bearing is fitted to a minimum diameter, and the journal is out-of-round 0.005 mm (0.0002 in) or more, interference between the bearing and the journal will result in rapid bearing failure. If flattened gauging plastic tapers toward the middle or ends, there is a difference in clearance indicating taper, low spot or other irregularity of the bearing journal. Ensure to measure the journal with a micrometer if the flattened gauging plastic indicates this difference. <LI type=1>If the bearing clearance is within specifications, the bearing insert is satisfactory. If the clearance is not within specifications, replace the insert. Always replace both the upper and lower inserts as a unit. When the bearing cap is installed and the clearance is less than 0.032 mm (0.0012 in), inspect it for burrs or nicks. <LI type=1>An undersize bearing may produce proper clearance. If not, it will be necessary to regrind the crankshaft journal for use with the next undersize bearing. After selecting the new bearin, recheck the clearance.
          2. Proceed to the next bearing. When checking the number one crankshaft bearing, remove the drive belt in order to prevent tapered reading with gauging plastic. After all bearings have been checked, rotate the crankshaft in order to check that there is no excessive drag.
          <A href="http://gsi.xw.gm.com/si/showDoc.do?docSyskey=52737&cellId=41902&pubObjSysk ey=52737&from=sm&pubCellSyskey=41902&deliveryEffec tiveDate=Jul+1%2C+2010#ss2-52737">Installation Procedure
          1. <LI type=1>Install the crankshaft bearings into the engine block and into the bearing caps. Use the following procedure:
            1.1. Coat the crankshaft bearings with oil.
            1.2. Insert the plain, unnotched end between the crankshaft and the indented or notched side of the block. Rotate the bearing into place. Use the J 8080. Remove the J 8080 from the hole in the crankshaft journal.
            Notice: The #4 (rear) main bearing cap must be installed flush with the torque converter bolt heads or 0.25 mm (0.010 in.) forward of the rear face of the cylinder block to avoid interference with the flywheel.
            <LI type=1>Use sealer GM P/N 1052942 or equivalent at the number four bearing cap to the engine block surface. <LI type=1>Install the crankshaft bearing caps with the assembled crankshaft bearings inside and with the arrows pointing to the front of the engine.

          2. Install the crankshaft bearing cap bolts. With the crankshaft, crankshaft bearings and bearing caps installed and the bolts started, thrust the crankshaft rearward in order to set and align the bearing caps. Then force the crankshaft forward to align the crankshaft thrust bearing.
            Tighten
            • Tighten the crankshaft bearing cap bolts to 40 N·m (30 lb ft). Use the J 36660-A in order to rotate the bolts an additional 35 degrees + 35 degress + 40degrees for a total of 110 degrees.
            • Tighten the crankshaft bearing cap side bolts to 15 N·m (11 lb ft). Use the J 36660-A in order to rotate the bolt an additional 45 degrees.


          97 30th anv Z28 Lt1 Ported Heads and Intake, small Cam, LT's, SLP LM1 w/power flow conversion and cut out, Stalled A4, 3.73, 125 shot or so......... Custom EVI Tune and more to come...... SOLD
          1971 Suburban work in progress
          1969 Mach 1 In restoration process
          Waiting to find the right Fbody

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          • #6
            nevermind... lol
            Last edited by 04DetroitLS; July 16th, 2010, 09:01 AM.
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            • #7
              here... i keep this posted on my garage wall

              still trying to recover the rest of the HDD.... But I have a sheet of all the torque specs for the 3800 if i can find it
              also have one for most clearances etc but i cant upload a .tff to the website

              heres some more for ya though for now
              http://www.grandprixforums.net/torqu...ifications.php
              Last edited by 04DetroitLS; July 16th, 2010, 09:29 AM.
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              • #8
                So! Did ya get all that? Big props guys! Would've taken me forever to get all that on there, LOL! Should be all you need!
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                • #9
                  someone come install VMWare Player for me i keep getting 1406 errors LOL!!!


                  Im getting the service manual dropped off to me again tonight, so if you need anything over the weekend call
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                  • #10
                    Thank you Gary, Kevin, and Steddy! You guys rock! I will be working on the motor today. Wish me luck!

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                    • #11
                      good luck with engine and weather.
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                      • #12
                        G/L

                        LMK if theres anything else you need
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