Matching numbers DZ302

[81DaytonaPaceCar]

Currently everything on it is original or NOS.

That will certainly help cost wise for new components.

Won't change the restoration dollars needed, but it will help.

EDIT: Just occurred to me that I hope the cross ram and carbs are correctly date coded...if not, it will be a very expensive 2-point deduction...

[Bad_Z28]

Car looks great, good luck finding the right resto shop!

[sman]

Im sure they are, he spent months of researching and digging into this specific car, having numbers on every part checked to make sure it was all in order before he bought it.

[81DaytonaPaceCar]

Im sure they are, he spent months of researching and digging into this specific car, having numbers on every part checked to make sure it was all in order before he bought it.

If that's the case, this would be a perfect candidate for a "somewhat" inexpensive 100-point restore...certainly the easiest route to go...still won't be cheap...

As a point of cost reference, I recently saw a waaaaay over-restored, low mileage, '69 RS Z28 with a cross ram (all completely numbers matching), one-owner, and a full document trail from new (just about the perfectly scripted car) that was listed for $160K and sell within 48 hours.

No, no selling price was revealed...but that's one of the biggest asking prices for a '69 Z28 I've seen...

[sman]

Supposedly hes got a hell of a paper trail to go with it, but I havent seen much of it. This cars fairly new to him. Thanks for you help guys!

[WMCC Doug]

I took a look at the trim tag on this car. You can see it pretty good if you click on the engine photo and make it full size. It is an X33 code car. This means it's a Z28 with Style Trim. (X77 is a Z28 without Style Trim) And the paint code looks to be "69 69 PNT" (second row, right side)

I can't quite make out the interior code. (TR xxx on the left side across from the paint code) But it looks like it's probably code 711, which is black standard bucket seats. And that is what the car appears to have.

I'm a little unsure about the dash. It has the full deluxe, wood grain treatment which would come as part of RPO Z87 - Custom Interior package. (But, that would have different molded door panels and different seats.) It could have RPO Z23 - Interior Special. But I'm not exactly sure just what that includes.

The Rosewood steering wheel could be original, but unlikely. They only sold 6,883 of those out of 243,105 cars built for 1969. The paper work/Protecto Plate could confirm this.

However, I spotted a couple of definate incorrect things on this car.

The first one is a pretty big deal! It's not painted the original color !!!!!

Paint code 69 is Cortez Silver (NOT the Garnet Red color it appears to have on it right now, (which is code 52) The image is not crystal clear, but that certainly does NOT look like a 52 to me on the trim tag.

If it's not 69 - Cortez Silver
maybe 59 - Frost Green (Yuk!)
maybe 79 - Rallye Green

But it sure looks like 69 to me. That's a major problem if he wants a true 100 point, correctly restored car.

Secondly, the headlight plastic trim/bezel is the non-style trim style. They should have a chrome trim ring on the front edge and be painted silver behind that. That's a pretty easy fix. (Unlike the incorrect paint color) But it would get knocked a few points for this too, anyway.

The Style Trim package is basically all the extra chrome trim on the car: Chrome drip edges, chrome wheel well moldings, the chrome "gills" on the quarter panels, the vertical chrome pieces in the tail lights, rocker panel chrome molding and the (missing) chrome trim around the headlight bezels. It should also have the rocker panels painted black below the rocker panel chrome trim.

Like Jeff said, the Cross Ram was never installed at the factory, so that can't be proven as being original to this car. But, it is a cool thing to have and worth a bundle of cash, all on it's own. (But to work properly, the engine should also have the "Service Pack" cam shaft, a much more radical grind designed for Trans Am road racing, and a pain to drive on the street). I'm betting it does not have that cam.

So, it's potentially a very valuable car, as well as being very desireable. It's biggest issue is the incorrect color and that's definately worth the expense of making it right to reach it's untimate value. The headlight trim only takes a few screws removed to change to the correct ones. A 10 minute fix (if you have the correct ones handy.)

It's a gorgous car, please keep us informed with what he plans to do with it. I believe the '69 Z28 is the most popular Camaro ever built. It's absolutely the icon of the Camaro line. Shoot, it's even the inspiration for the 5th Gen Camaro.

[craig62989]

i applied all kinds of filters and enhancements i can pretty clearly see you are right it is a 69 code for the paint

[81DaytonaPaceCar]

The first one is a pretty big deal! It's not painted the original color !!!!!

Paint code 69 is Cortez Silver (NOT the Garnet Red color it appears to have on it right now, (which is code 52) The image is not crystal clear, but that certainly does NOT look like a 52 to me on the trim tag.

If it's not 69 - Cortez Silver
maybe 59 - Frost Green (Yuk!)
maybe 79 - Rallye Green

But it sure looks like 69 to me. That's a major problem if he wants a true 100 point, correctly restored car.

Good catch, Doug...I love Cortez Silver BTW...

[skar]

wow

[Darren]

Wait till Spencer sees this he will have some news for his neighbor! Good find Doug that is some AWESOME information!

[sman]

Just posting from my phone so I'm not gonna type a lot.

Good catch on the paint, it was cortez silver, but the last time it was redone in '92 the last guy had it done in red.

The steering wheel is AN origonal one, but didn't come on this car, the factory one is in the garage boxed up with the intake, carb, fuel lines and other hood.

I've got some other questions, answers but I'm gwetting tired of typing on this thing. Ill post again when I get home from work(9pm).

Ps thanks for your help!!!!

[sman]

Thanks again for the info. Were going to check on the RPO codes to see whats up with the dash. I guess he had someone look it over last year and they said the same thing about the grille, he was quite impressed you picked that up, your only the second one to do so.

I also just found out its not garnet red, when it was redone in '90(not 92 like i had belived) it was painted 1990 corvette red.

We also talked to the last guy to go through the motor, he said it does indeed have the "service pack" cam. He(the owner) said its quite a dog below about 4k, but really shines beyond that, if that sounds about right.

Since the body is in such good shape he was thinking about just having the motor gone through this year and in a couple years having the car redone. Where would be a good place for this? Were talking all period correct and NOS parts currently on the motor.

He found someone who will completely go through it make sure all is well, do bearings and seals, rebuild the carbs, repaint block and replate all other surfaces including intake, carbs etc. He will also dyno it and send the printout back. He does very good work and is known throughout the 1st gen community, and will do it for 6 grand. However he is located quite ways out of state, and the owner would really like to have it done somewhere in state and local if possible just in case anything ever were to go wrong its not a 15hr car ride away.

If you have any advice on that itd be much appreciated.

[meissen]

It never ceases to amaze me how much Doug knows about these cars. I envy his knowledge.

[WMCC Doug]

LOL Brian,

I've just been around them for ever. In April, the WMCC will be 35 years old, and I've been around since the beginning. I also have an uncle that got me into cars when I was 10 years old (1963). With my Dad working at GM and my Uncle driving a 55 Chevy, I was indoctrinated into the Chevy "cult" right from the beginning.

I also have a several reference books to help supplement my memory. They're very helpful when it comes to looking up specific numbers, codes and such.

[Lucky SOB]

What an amazing car/piece of history that is!

The best restoration shop I know of does mainly antique cars (Duesenbergs, Packards, Bugattis, Auburns, etc.), but I was there this past week and they were working on a 1966 GTO. Everyone in the antique car world knows them.

Classic and Exotic
http://www.classicandexotic.com/