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    What a great place to take delivery of a Camaro -- Berger Chevrolet. Matt Berger and Dick Jacques took great care of me as did the entire staff. They had the car prepped and standing tall in the delivery area when I arrived to start work in the back on Matt's Camaro.



    As good as she looked we had work waiting for us in the back. While I was getting my hands dirty, they prepared all the paperwork. It was the fastest closing on record when Dick brought me up front with my rather dirty hands. I signed and initialed and went back to work. We finished up the first round with Matt’s car and went up front for a few pictures.
    Dick and Pete

    Matt and Pete

    From Berger I went to see my three daughters at thier tennis night. They were thrilled with the new Camaro. My wife is a special lady. She followed the girls and me in the rental Buick so we could drop it off. She sits in the middle 'seat' in the rear with the girls when we are all together. Because of all this or in spite of all this, she was more excited than I was.
    My impressions of the Camaro after over 700 miles of use on the outbound leg of our trip to Pennsylvania are that the Camaro is well built, very well built. I own a GTO and a G8. The GTO is a pretty solid automobile. The G8 is more solid than the GTO. I love my G8 and think is it one of the most dialed in vehicles I have ever driven as she sits full Pedderised and ProCharged. The Camaro is another level up from the G8 in terms of structural integrity. It is one solid vehicle. Run over the biggest bump and the entire vehicle travels the bump as a single unit. I have yet to detect any racking or cowl shake.
    The Camaro is very quiet. They paid attention to detail and maybe borrowed an engineer from the Buick area in controlling cabin noise. If there is any wind noise, I can't hear it. There are no squeaks or rattles. The cabin feels as secure and quiet as anything I have ever driven. This is probably related to the structural strength that was designed into the ZETA II chassis.
    As for driving, keep in mind I am a very spoiled guy with some great cars in my garage. The G8 and GTO are both ProCharged. They both ride on fulll Xa Track eXtreme suspensions and then some. They both have custom wheel and tire packages. They both have brake upgrades. They are built cars that have been carefully dialed in. The slug in the garage has been the HHR SS with a Stage II GM Turbo and Pedders Xa coilovers and it can pull up the inside rear wheel on a hard turn with GM issue wheels and tires. The OEM Camaro is a super car and one that thousands will be thrilled to own. What follows are my opinions personally and professionally. They do not make me right. They do not make me wrong. They are my opinions.
    The brake pads selected by GM may be a great combination pad in terms of useful life, quiet application, etc... but they soften the Brembo brakes. I'll run different pads with the OEM rotors and calipers with far better performance, but they will squeal at a level most would not accept. Replacing the hydraulically damped OEM radius rod bushes will help too.
    The wheels and tires are too big. I don't understand why GM used a set of tires and wheels better suited to an SUV. Actually I do understand. Most people love the looks of them. They love these big wheels and tires so much they want BIGGER wheels and tires. My experience with the package is that the Camaro will be a much better car with smaller diameter wheels and tires. It will get out of the hole better. It will stop better.
    The suspension delivers a great balance of comfort and stick. The Camaro leans more than I like, but it sticks. I did notice a jitter in the steering over ridges in the pavement. You can feel it in the steering wheel. Once again, a radius rod bush upgrade will help here, but I also feel it has something to do with the 20 wheels. There is a noticeable rear end step up in turns while applying power and dealing with bumps. Sub-frame bush inserts will correct this.
    The Camaro tracks very well and after hours of driving I felt fresh and ready for more, however I kept going back in my mind to how my G8 drives and the Camaro suffered by comparison. Not a comparison to a stock G8, but to my built G8. While the comparison is not fair, it is what I am used to. The Pedders USA, LLC G8 rides well and handles like – I struggle to find an appropriate comparison. GM’s ZETA chassis is so good stock and so GREAT Pedderised it blew by a BMW M5 at the New jersey Motorsports Park. The professional drivers said there was no comparison because the Pedders G8 was so superior. A stock Camaro doesn’t feel that way. It can and will, but just doesn’t stock and stock is VERY GOOD. My Camaro and I suspect many of your Camaros will need to be as dialed in as my G8 and I don't want to wait 18 months to get it there as I did with the G8. We will complete the Camaro in two months.
    We are working with Bridgestone and Forgeline to come up with a balanced front and rear wheel and tire combination. If we can make it work we will run 305/30/19 ZR XL tires front and rear. Whatever adjustments are required in damping and coil rate will be available with our Xa coilovers. Bushes and bars will complement the Xa coilovers, wheels and tires. Working with Nickey and Hennessey we are refining our alignment specifications for multiple tire and wheel packages. Corner weighting is already under way and we have found the Camaro to set up beautifully. The Camaros we have tracked performed amazingly well. That is not good enough. They will be perfect.

    The power train is excellent. The shift pattern is so much better than the GTO it is hard to believe. The clutch pedal is light, maybe too light. The driveline is quiet. There is no slap, no chatter, nothing but power and smooth application of power. With the car loaded to the max with passengers and luggage we have averaged 21.8 MPG. It is new and tight so I expect better, as it would if someone would take the brick off my right foot.
    Speaking of feet, you need size 16s to heel and toe this beast...
    Our plans for the Pedders USA, LLC Camaro are:

    600 RWHP
    ProCharger
    Cobalt Friction State-of-the-art-of-Racing pads
    Forgeline 19 x 10.5 Wheels
    Bridgestone RE-11 305/30/19 Tires
    Pedders Suspension
    Pedders Exhaust
    Pedders Body Work
    American Racing Headers
    Sweet Thunder Exhaust
    QTP Cut Outs
    Paint by Essex Customs

    The goal is a reliable, comfortable Camaro that is almost ready to join the Riley Tech built GS Camaro on the Grand Am Challenge, but with Air and multiple DVD screens for my kids. We will exceed 1G on the skid pad and with street tires get down the strip in the 11s. In the past, Pedders USA, LLC flagship vehicles have wanted to be Corvette like in performance. While we may not reach the standard set by the ZR1, we will meet and exceed the performance of a stock C6 Z06 while running with four people safely seated in the car.

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    The guys at ProCharger are nothing less than awesome. They treat me so incredibly well i cannot imagine using another product. Their installations are off the charts and more refined every time. They have out performed my expectations again and that is saying a lot Becca my expectations were exceptionally high this time around.

    The blower has helical cut gears which are much quieter than the standard cut. The classic ProCharger whistle is gone. It is dead quiet at idle. No one will know what is under the hood. It is dead quiet at speed. The dump is virtually inaudible. This is the most refined ProCharger ever. The only clue you have that the Pedders USA, LLC Camaro is ProCharged comes when you depress the accelerator.

    The mounting bracket for the unit is thicker, stronger and just plain looks rock solid. The tensioner is a twelve rib unit on my currently eight rib belt. It appears to be bullet proof. Everything looks factory clean. The air filter mounts cleanly atop the engine.

    There is much debate about the placement of the air filter. Here are a few details you should be aware of. The air flow in an engine compartment is designed at the factory to draw hot air down and away from the engine compartment. When a vehicle is in motion there is little difference in temperatures in the engine compartment unless we are measuring right next to the exhaust manifolds. Now in Pedders Camaro, we really like the placement of the air intake on the ProCharger because our Revolution Camaro Cowl Induction Hood will be feeding it a steady supply of external air.

    Now for the bad news ProCharger delivered to me. My Camaro was the limpest stick in the units they have tested. It came in 18 RWHP low. I am hoping that some very spirited driving will loosen this thing up and let it grow some hair. A typical ProCharged Camaro will produce 525 RWHP. Mine limped in at 510. We are in no way ready to give up those missing 18 ponies. The math doesn't seem right because while we limped into ProCharger our ProCharged gain was slightly above average which give us hope that it is still breaking in.

    We also are upgrading the exhaust to included American Racing Headers, Sweet Thunder chambered exhaust and QTP cut outs. An electric water pump will be installed so we can cycle it after runs to keep cooling the engine. Eric at back Street Performance will be doing a custom tune. With all this we expect to find at least another 50 RWHP and if the missing ponies come home we may reach our goal of 600 RWHP. Time will tell.










    To all those dedicated people at ProCharger that worked so hard on this project Pedders USA, LLC extends our thanks. The operation was flawless on my trip. I promise to keep you posted on the progress of the rest of our build. Thanks you for a job eXtremely

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    • #3
      We have to get our beast ready for the Home Town Cruise. The 28th Street Cruise in Grand rapids Michigan is a huge event. Woodward may be bigger, but 28th Street is our home turf so it has to be better. Our Camaro is back from ATI / ProCharger and now the exterior mods go into high gear.
      • Front Splitter
      • Upper and Lower Grilles
      • Cowl Induction Hood
      • Shaved Emblems and Badges
      • Shaved Door Handles
      • Shaved Spoiler
      • Side Sills
      • Rear Lower Fascia
      • Deck Wing -- Maybe
      • Interior Paint
      • Tinted Windows

      We picked up the Camaro at ATI and mad a hard run from Lenexa to West Olive in 10 hours and 15 minutes including gas, food and where is the head I gotta go right now stops so we could deliver the Camaro to Essex Customs in Grand Rapids. We reviewed the build list and went right to work Saturday afternoon. Jason is as jacked about this project as we are and that is really good news as he has a lot to do.

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      The rear sheet metal work on the Camaro is nothing short of gorgeous. It is stunning and gets lost with the wing. The roof, fenders and deck lid lines are so well done they would be at home on a Ferrari. We think that wingless may be the best look. Removing the rear wing does increase drag, but with something like 600 RWHP who care about a little drag that hold the car down to 189 instead of 190? A wind that is raised and allows you to still enjoy the OEM art work may be acceptable, but we really like naked for now.

      Jason will be sending us pictures to update this thread over the next few days. He is on a tight schedule -- very tight schedule. All the mods have to be complete by Wednesday so we can get the car over to Witt for:
      • Pedders Xa Track eXtreme Suspension
      • Corner Weighting
      • Alignment
      • Install Full Alignment Kit
      • Install Headers
      • Install Sweet Thunder Exhaust and QTP Cutouts
      • Install Cobalt Friction Pedders Hardcore Track Only XR Pads
      • Install Forgeline 19x10.5 Wheels
      • Install Bridgestone 305/30/19 RE-11s all around

      We already know that several items will not be ready while other are on the bubble.
      • Grilles
      • Side Vents
      • Rear Wing
      • Rear Fascia

      What will get done...

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      • #4
        now..you are one lucky SOB!!!

        Thats a nice set up

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        • #5
          The guys at Essex had the Camaro stripped down in record time.





          We have the work in pictures and in video.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrmqrOOjLls

          Shaving the door handles or spoiler sounds easier than it i. Once the hardware is removed we have to get down to good sheet metal, cut away the stamping indentations. Weld and fill. Prime and sand and then do it again until it is perfect.







          The engine compart has to be as clean as the rest of the car. That means the OEM pebble grain plastic has to be smoothed and painted as well as the body panels. Sand, prime, sand, fill, sand, prime until it is just right.





          Then we get into the really new and cool stuff. Here is the first Revolution body part -- the spoiler. Step one is the test fit. Step two is prime, sand, fill, prime sand fill, prime sand....




          We wanted to do something special in the interior and decided that Victory Red was exactly what we needed. The first step is to take apart the interior.








          The small things actually take a lot more time because of the detail involved.




          The end result should be sweet. I love the smell of paint thiner in the morning. It smells like Victory red!




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          • #6
            Originally posted by DeLaRosa25 View Post
            now..you are one lucky SOB!!!

            Thats a nice set up
            We are getting there, but have a lot to do.

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            • #7
              Hey Pete,

              You did not mention your deadline and why.

              Mike
              dms

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              • #8
                Wow, that looked to be a lot of work.

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                • #9
                  Very cool, Pete! Thanks for sharing the progress with us! I look forward to seeing this car in person at the Berger Show!
                  - Brian Meissen
                  Owner, MiFBody.com
                  Administrator, LTxTech.com


                  1994 Camaro LT1 Transplant - 357ci LT1, cammed, stalled, and driven.
                  2022 Camaro LT1 - "Cherry Bomb 2"
                  Michigan FBody Meet & Greet Car Show 2022
                  June 4th, 2022 - 9am to 3pm!!!
                  The HUB Stadium, Auburn Hills, MI

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                  • #10
                    Great write-up, Pete.

                    Sounds like you have a clear vision of where you want your package to be. I know it will be awesome. Looking forward to seeing you and the new ride at Berger this weekend.
                    RIP Doug,You will always be remembered
                    3/3/53 ~ 12/22/10

                    Western Michigan Camaro Club - President
                    2002 Hot Rod Magazine Ltd. Ed. by Berger
                    1985 Camaro IROC-Z
                    1974 Camaro Type LT / Z28
                    2002 Trail Blazer LTZ
                    2003 Honda VFR 800i Interceptor

                    1996 Camaro SS (Sold )

                    www.wmcamaro.org

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                    • #11
                      wow Very nice keep up the good work!
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                      1992 Chevy Camaro 25th Anniversary-SOLD
                      1992 Chevy Camaro 25th Anniversary
                      1997 Chevrolet Corvette

                      The Original
                      Originally posted by meissen
                      I actually agree with Darren on everything he said...
                      Originally posted by 81DaytonaPaceCar
                      Yep, pretty much...not too often I agree 100% with Darren, but there it is...


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                      • #12
                        Looking great. I for one would love to see some pics of your GTO and G8. I really want a G8.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SoulTerror View Post
                          Looking great. I for one would love to see some pics of your GTO and G8. I really want a G8.
                          LIVE is better -- they will all be at the Cruise.

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                          • #14
                            Monday night and Tuesday were really productive. The crew at Essex Customz will start assembling the Pedders USA Camaro later in the day. We should have a hood, although it may be really green as in fresh out of the mold, by the end of the day. Check it out in video and pictures.

                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW1PS0Dh7lY








                            They have an amazing process at Essex Customz -- http://www.cosmichrome.com/intro.htm






                            We shot the process in HD and will get that posted to YouTube soon. When all is said and done the key to a really great car is attention to detail.

                            Last edited by Justice Pete; August 25th, 2009, 02:42 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Justice Pete View Post
                              LIVE is better -- they will all be at the Cruise.
                              I won't be

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