New Camaro/Z28 info

[JoeliusZ28]

i guess thats just a complete difference of opinion then, Ive always considered all IROCs to be Z28s, hence the "Z" in the badge on the door.

if its got the stupid badge, its a z28 to me. They wouldnt have put it there if it wasnt.

[WMCC Doug]

and was that also a white camaro? hehehe

No Rolo, it's the one "odd ball" in my stable. It's Midnight Blue Met. Otherwise known today as "Project DZ74" (I've owned it for 34 years, so far)

We're trying like crazy to have it done ASAP, but definately by the Berger Chevrolet: All Chevy Show in August.

[WMCC Gary]

i guess thats just a complete difference of opinion then, Ive always considered all IROCs to be Z28s, hence the "Z" in the badge on the door.

if its got the stupid badge, its a z28 to me.

Opinion has nothing to do with it. Its opinions that confuse facts. Pick up a white book and look. It clearly states in 1988 "the LT and z28 model were gone".

At this point I am done with this thread. Everybody has poked holes in you theory yet you keep going. Its pointless to continue this conversation.

The facts are that the Z28 has taken the backseat to other models/options many times over its history. Weather you choose to accept it, that is you choice but Facts are Facts.

[WMCC Doug]

i guess thats just a complete difference of opinion then, Ive always considered all IROCs to be Z28s, hence the "Z" in the badge on the door.

if its got the stupid badge, its a z28 to me. They wouldnt have put it there if it wasnt.

What Gary is saying is technically correct. The difference between the 85-87 IROC-Z's and the 88-90 IROC-Z's is there was both a "regular" Z28 AND an IROC-Z option for 85-87, in 88-90 there was only the IROC-Z. Part way through the 1990 production year, GM decided it no longer wanted to pay Roger Penske a royality for the use of the IROC (International Race of Champions) name, and dropped the IROC-Z model. The Z28 then became the top model again until 1996 when the SS name was brought back.

Over the 35 years of Camaro production, there have been many changes, details, models and options that have varied from time to time. It's very difficult to make an argument, based on a certain couple of years of production. Things that happened in the 1st Gen, for instance, might not necessarily hold true for the 2nd, 3rd or 4th Gens.

A persons age also has a big influence on how they see the "top Camaro" since they most likely think about the years that were most popular when they first became interested in cars.

As one of the few members here that was actually alive in 1967 when this all began (I was 14) and into cars, I may have a totally different take on Camaro history than a younger person (since I actually lived through it first hand).

Back in the early 70's, the Z28 was the one that got all of the attention. Sure, there were some fast, big block SS cars around that were quick (drag racing wise) but the Z was the one that (generally speaking) got the respect on the street. With so many different engine combinations for the SS, you never really knew what the guy had under the hood, but with the Z28, you knew just what he was running.

I guess I personally don't have a strong opinion on which model, Z28 or SS, is the top dog for the 5th Gen. I just want it to be out, and kicking some Mustang (and Challenger) butt !!!!!

[JoeliusZ28]

Opinion has nothing to do with it. Its opinions that confuse facts. Pick up a white book and look. It clearly states in 1988 "the LT and z28 model were gone".

At this point I am done with this thread. Everybody has poked holes in you theory yet you keep going. Its pointless to continue this conversation.

The facts are that the Z28 has taken the backseat to other models/options many times over its history. Weather you choose to accept it, that is you choice but Facts are Facts.

Its not "my" theory, several other people think the same thing or think Z28 should even be regarded as the top model on the 5th gen. Oddly enough most people that share my opinion are older purists, im just a black sheep here once again.

So the lesser Z28 was dropped, so what? The iroc was an enhanced Z28. If badges were still being put on the cars, they were still Z28s to me. The book is defining that the base Z28 disappeared, which is true. However, the IROC is still a Z28. I find it irrelevant so yea, definitely a closed book. All this has done is prove GMs inconsistency, which i already stated was the source of the problem in the first place. There is sufficient history to support a plethora of view points.

As one of the few members here that was actually alive in 1967 when this all began (I was 14) and into cars, I may have a totally different take on Camaro history than a younger person (since I actually lived through it first hand).

Back in the early 70's, the Z28 was the one that got all of the attention. Sure, there were some fast, big block SS cars around that were quick (drag racing wise) but the Z was the one that (generally speaking) got the respect on the street. With so many different engine combinations for the SS, you never really knew what the guy had under the hood, but with the Z28, you knew just what he was running.

I guess I personally don't have a strong opinion on which model, Z28 or SS, is the top dog for the 5th Gen. I just want it to be out, and kicking some Mustang (and Challenger) butt !!!!!

That is exactly what all my older relatives say. Most people my age only think of 4th gens.

[Orange Terror]

edit: Eh, screw it.......

[meissen]

This whole thread is foolish. It started over a rumor that's obviously not true, and turned into a stupid argument that doesn't lead to either side caving in. End of story, end of argument.