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  • [Project] 1994 F-Body with Traditonal Pontiac Power

    Well I waited till I began the engine build to post my build thread but finally it has arrived.

    The car in question is a 1994 Pontiac Firebird base model with T-Tops. I bought the car on September 13, 2008 with the intention of making a unique Street/Strip ride. I picked up the car with 263,000 miles with the underpowered 3.4 and 4L60E at a great price. I only drove it home so I'm glad it went out when it did. Sure the heads were shooting coolant and reverse died when I got it in the driveway but hey the body was in great shape. After pulling the engine and trans during the winter of 2009, I couldn't decide what I wanted to power this thing. Should I go LT1 or LS1 for the ease of it or something different. I thought of the SBC and BBC conversion seeing how it often it is done. I even looked into Grand National drivetrains. For a while, I decided I was set with the turbo 3.8 and started to research hop up parts for the boosted 6. The plan was a cam, larger turbo, exaust work, fuel enrichment, and some tuning. Out of the blue, one of my friend's dad had a spare Pontiac 350 laying around complete except the carb. Then I thought that would awsome to have a Pontiac power a Pontiac So I got into Pontiac literature and joined a couple of forums. So my plan was set, a set of forged rods and pistons, a good mid range cam, intake, carb, and a nice shot of sauce. Coupled with a mild stall and TH350, I should be in the 12's. However after reading more and more, it made more sense to step up the larger displacement motors (About the same price to build). I looked and looked for a 455 for a couple of weeks. Could not come up with nothing that would fit into my budget. So I opened myself up to 400's as well and low and behold a 400 longblock was available at a great price. This engine had been for sale for a couple of weeks so I was weary of it. However, I went and picked it up. Tore it down and the bearings were shot. Fine, I planned on redoing the entire block and heads anyway. Right now, I am currently machining both the block and heads as we speak.

    So the plan is:

    -4.5 Stroker Kit w/ Ross Pistons
    -Comp. Cams XE274 Cam
    -Edelbrock RPM Manifold
    -A Q-Jet by Cliff
    -6X-4 heads with fresh valve job, casting flash removed, gasket matched, minor cleanup of the ports, new valve stem seals, and valve springs (Compression should be around 9-9.5:1 depending on piston choice and final valve and seat machining. Currently all 8 chambers measure between 93 and 94.5 CC)
    - Some 1 3/4 headers cut to fit

    -Th400 with manual/automatic valve body and mild stall (most likely around 1800-2200)

    -The 10 bolt will stay intill I either break it or I swap a 9 inch in

    I will eventually spring for some aluminum heads after I get her up and running.


    As of 3/2/10, I am in the process of cleaning up the heads and installing some bronze liners in the heads. The deck of the block was milled last thursday and this thursday the cylinders will be bored.

    Sorry about the lengthly intro and feel free to ask any questions or voice concerns.

    Thanks and hope you guys enjoy the progress,


    Dave

    Here are pics of the clean block. I will have to take more while she's up on the mill.
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    Last edited by 1994Firebird400; March 2nd, 2010, 07:11 PM.

  • #2
    Looks great so far!

    The stock pontiac 400 in our GTO has a 4 barrel carb and for such a big car, it scoots pretty well.
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    • #3
      Good call on the stroked 400 as it has smaller mains then the 455 and will like more rpm.
      Also with all the torque from that stroked poncho that 10 bolt won't last very long.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by 9T8W66 View Post
        Good call on the stroked 400 as it has smaller mains then the 455 and will like more rpm.
        Also with all the torque from that stroked poncho that 10 bolt won't last very long.
        All the more reason to buy a 9 inch!!! HAHA. I don't plan on really beating on her anyway intill I have the new rear in. Just something to cruise around till I get the suspension, brakes, and rear squared away.


        Dave

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        • #5
          that stall wont do anything for you from my understandings about automatic transmissions. you need to go bigger but ill let someone who knows more to chime in but ill raise the point
          wishing i could drive like joe and the atm squad

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MunsterZ28 View Post
            that stall wont do anything for you from my understandings about automatic transmissions. you need to go bigger but ill let someone who knows more to chime in but ill raise the point

            With the low end torque of a pontiac motor, I don't need a high stall speed. Most converter's stall speeds are determined by how much torque you have at 2500 rpm. The more torque you have at 2500, the higher the actual stall will be. I'm planning around 325-350ft/lbs at 2500rpm. Plus, I would have more of a wider rpm range with a lower stall. I don't plan on running this motor past 5200-5400 rpm because thats not a pontiac's strong suit. They are built for low end torque and thats exactly what I want out of this project.


            Dave

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 1994Firebird400 View Post
              With the low end torque of a pontiac motor, I don't need a high stall speed. Most converter's stall speeds are determined by how much torque you have at 2500 rpm. The more torque you have at 2500, the higher the actual stall will be. I'm planning around 325-350ft/lbs at 2500rpm. Plus, I would have more of a wider rpm range with a lower stall. I don't plan on running this motor past 5200-5400 rpm because thats not a pontiac's strong suit. They are built for low end torque and thats exactly what I want out of this project.


              Dave

              ok sounds good man you know more then i do was just going off sbc thought
              wishing i could drive like joe and the atm squad

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              • #8
                Very cool project! With so many of these cars on the road these days its getting harder and harder to do "something different". I look forward to following this thread.

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                • #9
                  This should turn out awesome!
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                  • #10
                    Well, I ordered up my stroker kit last night from Butler Performance. Should take around 4 weeks to come in. Total displacement will be 488 cubic inches. Still working on the heads and they should be done within the next two weeks( waiting on some bronze liners to show up to my door) Also made some motor mounts using my 350 as a template. Just have to weld them up.


                    Dave

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                    • #11
                      Very good choice in going the Poncho 400 route. It'll be something unique and different that's for sure.......What kind of clearance issues are you going to run into?? I've heard all kinds of horror stories about doing this on a 3rd Gen (hood, exhaust, engine mounts) just curious if some of the same issues apply to the 4th Gens too??
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                      • #12
                        yeah he will probably have to hack and whack the cowl at the very least.
                        Doing less with more


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                        • #13
                          cool build. looking to see the final result
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                          • #14
                            Well the steering shaft was the biggest pain in the ass. I had to really take my time and center her up and make many templates out of cardboard before I was happy with it. Headers are probally the next big pain too. Number 1 isn't that bad as I can go under the steering shaft but 3 and 5 are 2.75 inches from the shaft. I haven't been able to see hood clearance as my 350 didn't come with an intake or carb so I am guessing at this point. If I don't have enough clearance then yes it will be hacked up.

                            Dave

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                            • #15
                              Just remember you can also turn the carb sideways on a carbed 4th gen to gain some clearance. Good luck, Eric L

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