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  • Pulling the Heads-What to do to them?

    Alright, I'm looking for some suggestions here. . . I'm going to be pulling the heads (or at least starting the job) today on my '93 Formula. I'm looking for ideas as to what I should do to them while they are out. I'm not looking to spend a ton of money, I was thinking maybe a set of roller rockers, replace the valve seals (the car burns a little oil on startup), heli-coil the spark plug holes, and re-install them. Quick and easy, and cheaper than sending them off to AI or Lloyd Elliot. I'm not looking to make a ton of power, I just want to get my car back on the road, and not have to worry about spark plugs falling out (that's a REALLY stupid problem to have). I'm going to be ordering the gasket set (Felpro) to reinstall everything, a new set of head bolts, and whatever else I need over the next week or so, and if you guys have any ideas, I'm all ears.

    I would go a little deeper and have some machine work done, rebuild them, and have the intake ported as well, but when I started looking around the car yesterday, I found some more rust that has me worried, and I need to make sure I have enough money left to take care of that before I start driving it again also. The car will be at the Meet and Greet, but I'm not sure yet how pitiful it's going to look when it gets there, I'll be putting it through the paces over the coming weeks to get the body fixed up and ready for paint, iron out any mechanical and electrical problems it may have developed through sitting untouched for a year and a half, and replacing the parts that need it (like tires, battery, filters, fluid changes, window motors, etc.)

    In looking at prices, I could feasibly order the things I'd need to put 1.6RR's on over a period of a month or so, and just wait to install everything all at once, and I'd come in at just over $600 for everything. There's plenty of work to be done on the car, I still need to gut the interior (to check for floorpan rust and repair rust on the rear wheelwells), the quarter panels need some attention, as does the front left strut tower, and I need to get some more parts ordered, but if I were to pace myself, I could probably have the car drivable, albeit in need of a paint job, in under 10 weeks.

    Anyways, if you were me, and you were pulling the heads on a stock engine with bolt ons, what would you do to the heads while they were out? Keep in mind that I'm on a budget, and I'd like to be driving the car before the Meet and Greet.
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    How many plug threads are waded up? Who knows if the valve guides are worn out on the current heads?

    Honestly, I'd probably be looking around for some good used heads to be putting the new parts on. Call be crazy, but heads are something I want to be spot on before I bolt them up. Might as well cam it while your that far into the motor...if you haven't done so already. I could use a stock LT1 cam

    1998 Camaro Z28 - Bright Red, 6.0 TR224, 4l60e, 3.42 Eaton TrueTrac
    1989 Camaro IROC-Z Convertible - 355 big tube TPI, WC T5, 3.42 Zexel Torsen, CTS-V/C4 brakes
    1955 Bel Air 2 Door Post - 357 TPI, Muncie M20, 4 wheel disc

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    • #3
      Originally posted by hoogiesngrinderz View Post
      How many plug threads are waded up? Who knows if the valve guides are worn out on the current heads?

      Honestly, I'd probably be looking around for some good used heads to be putting the new parts on. Call be crazy, but heads are something I want to be spot on before I bolt them up. Might as well cam it while your that far into the motor...if you haven't done so already. I could use a stock LT1 cam
      Well, the car runs fine, I know at least three of the spark plug holes are screwed up, so both heads need work. The car puffs blue smoke for about 5 seconds after startup, and it doesn't make any valvetrain noises that are out of the ordinary, so I think it's safe to assume the valve guides are still decent. That said, I know where there are a set of heads in a junkyard for $100, I just need to go pull them off the car, but honestly, I'd rather stick with a headache I know, than a potential migraine I don't.

      I'm sure there are some folks on here that may have a set of heads sitting somewhere they'd be willing to part with, but the problem then becomes money. As far as a cam goes, I'd love to do a cam swap, but I don't think funds will allow it, and if I push my goal deadline back much further, I won't be able to make it to the Meet and Greet, and it would be unlikely that I'd make it to Camaro Superfest in the Firebird. However, if I were to find a good deal on everything I'd need, possibly even used parts, I wouldn't be opposed to going that route, but the most significant added cost with the cam swap would be getting it tuned.
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      • #4
        In that case:

        I'd pull the heads, have all 8 plug threads helicoiled then. If it happened once (or 3 times) it will happen again. Buy a valve spring compressor. Find a set of 1.6 self aligning rockers and LT4 valve springs, along with new valve seals. Install. Call it a day.

        1998 Camaro Z28 - Bright Red, 6.0 TR224, 4l60e, 3.42 Eaton TrueTrac
        1989 Camaro IROC-Z Convertible - 355 big tube TPI, WC T5, 3.42 Zexel Torsen, CTS-V/C4 brakes
        1955 Bel Air 2 Door Post - 357 TPI, Muncie M20, 4 wheel disc

        2006 Saab 9-7x 5.3i Daily Driver

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        • #5
          Originally posted by hoogiesngrinderz View Post
          In that case:

          I'd pull the heads, have all 8 plug threads helicoiled then. If it happened once (or 3 times) it will happen again. Buy a valve spring compressor. Find a set of 1.6 self aligning rockers and LT4 valve springs, along with new valve seals. Install. Call it a day.
          That's what I was thinking as well. . . I'm going to take the heads to a shop to have the thread inserts done, that's not something I want to screw up attempting it myself. haha Should I replace the pushrods too, or will the stockers be fine? If I can get by with just new valve springs, 1.6 rockers, and valve seals, I'll be able to get this done a lot faster than if I have to buy more stuff. . .

          The more this is gonna cost me, the longer it'll take to get parts ordered, and I'll be waiting on parts to get the thing done. I'll be starting on gutting the interior this week as well, probably do some rust removal this weekend.
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          • #6
            i've got a couple sets of heads and some 1.6rr id part with for a good price
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            • #7
              Originally posted by mcssmostwanted View Post
              i've got a couple sets of heads and some 1.6rr id part with for a good price
              PM sent!
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              • #8
                I just wouldn't put a lot of money into that setup. 1.6 roller tip rockers, LT4 springs, and valve seals should cost about $160 if you search eBay with cheap rockers.

                Summit:
                CCA-RP1418-16 CompCams 1.6 roller tip rockers w/ pushrods - $199.95
                FEL-SS72861 Fel-Pro positive stop Viton seals - $19.95
                NAL-12495494 GM Performance LT4 valve springs - $41.95
                261.85 + 12.95 s/h = $274.80

                $274.80 + machine work?? = lots of $$$ for stock heads.

                1998 Camaro Z28 - Bright Red, 6.0 TR224, 4l60e, 3.42 Eaton TrueTrac
                1989 Camaro IROC-Z Convertible - 355 big tube TPI, WC T5, 3.42 Zexel Torsen, CTS-V/C4 brakes
                1955 Bel Air 2 Door Post - 357 TPI, Muncie M20, 4 wheel disc

                2006 Saab 9-7x 5.3i Daily Driver

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by hoogiesngrinderz View Post
                  I just wouldn't put a lot of money into that setup. 1.6 roller tip rockers, LT4 springs, and valve seals should cost about $160 if you search eBay with cheap rockers.

                  Summit:
                  CCA-RP1418-16 CompCams 1.6 roller tip rockers w/ pushrods - $199.95
                  FEL-SS72861 Fel-Pro positive stop Viton seals - $19.95
                  NAL-12495494 GM Performance LT4 valve springs - $41.95
                  261.85 + 12.95 s/h = $274.80

                  $274.80 + machine work?? = lots of $$$ for stock heads.
                  I'm exploring the option of having some port work done to the heads as well, but like I said, money is the limiting factor, I'm already spending $270 for the gasket set and head bolts, so I'm looking at closer to $550-$600 already. Add port work to the equation, and I'm well over $1k.

                  If I could find a decent cam somewhere that's worth picking up for a decent price, I think I'd be a little more inclined to take on the additional expense (torque convertor, tune, head work, etc.) and leave the car parked for a couple extra months.
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                  • #10
                    For what it's worth, I had a couple bolt holes helicoiled, my stock springs taken out and beehive 918s installed, the bowls lightly ported, and the heads decked for something like $350 by a guy Steve at Vector Performance knew. It was back in '08 so prices might have changed.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 93formulalt1 View Post
                      I'm exploring the option of having some port work done to the heads as well, but like I said, money is the limiting factor, I'm already spending $270 for the gasket set and head bolts, so I'm looking at closer to $550-$600 already. Add port work to the equation, and I'm well over $1k.

                      If I could find a decent cam somewhere that's worth picking up for a decent price, I think I'd be a little more inclined to take on the additional expense (torque convertor, tune, head work, etc.) and leave the car parked for a couple extra months.
                      $270?! Really!?!? Ouch...
                      Fel-Pro 9966PT are $21.95 each, FEL-MS95580 are $19.39 while the FEL-1284 are $34.99. ARP-134-3701 head bolts are $81.04 = $144.33 (or $159.95) + 12.95 s/h.

                      1998 Camaro Z28 - Bright Red, 6.0 TR224, 4l60e, 3.42 Eaton TrueTrac
                      1989 Camaro IROC-Z Convertible - 355 big tube TPI, WC T5, 3.42 Zexel Torsen, CTS-V/C4 brakes
                      1955 Bel Air 2 Door Post - 357 TPI, Muncie M20, 4 wheel disc

                      2006 Saab 9-7x 5.3i Daily Driver

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                      • #12
                        Damn prices have gone down. I bought the same Viton stem seals on Summit back in 08 for $29.99.

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                        Owner, MiFBody.com
                        Administrator, LTxTech.com


                        1994 Camaro LT1 Transplant - 357ci LT1, cammed, stalled, and driven.
                        2022 Camaro LT1 - "Cherry Bomb 2"
                        Michigan FBody Meet & Greet Car Show 2022
                        June 4th, 2022 - 9am to 3pm!!!
                        The HUB Stadium, Auburn Hills, MI

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by hoogiesngrinderz View Post
                          $270?! Really!?!? Ouch...
                          Fel-Pro 9966PT are $21.95 each, FEL-MS95580 are $19.39 while the FEL-1284 are $34.99. ARP-134-3701 head bolts are $81.04 = $144.33 (or $159.95) + 12.95 s/h.
                          Woops, meant $170. lol

                          That's for FelPro's head gasket 'kit' that includes head gaskets, intake gaskets, header gaskets, valve cover gaskets, throttle body gasket, valve stem seals, etc. Basically everything I'd need when it comes time for re-assembly. That kit is $140 plus shipping, and I wasn't looking at ARP head bolts, although I probably should. . . I don't plan on re-using ANY gaskets when it's time to re-install everything, the car is sitting at just under 170k miles, and rather than order all of the gaskets individually, I was going to eliminate the hassle and just buy the whole kit.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by meissen View Post
                            For what it's worth, I had a couple bolt holes helicoiled, my stock springs taken out and beehive 918s installed, the bowls lightly ported, and the heads decked for something like $350 by a guy Steve at Vector Performance knew. It was back in '08 so prices might have changed.
                            Do you have his number? I'll give him a call and see what he can do for me, there really aren't any decent machine shops in my neck of the woods anymore, so I'm sure I'll have to do some traveling to get the work done. . .
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                            • #15
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                              Administrator, LTxTech.com


                              1994 Camaro LT1 Transplant - 357ci LT1, cammed, stalled, and driven.
                              2022 Camaro LT1 - "Cherry Bomb 2"
                              Michigan FBody Meet & Greet Car Show 2022
                              June 4th, 2022 - 9am to 3pm!!!
                              The HUB Stadium, Auburn Hills, MI

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