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  • P0441?

    So I have a fun new code popping up. Anybody have an idea what this means?

    DTC P0441 Evaporative Emission Control System Incorrect Purge Flow

    The guy at Advance Auto seems to think it has to do with my fuel system.

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    The EVAP purge solenoid valve allows manifold vacuum to purge the canister. The Powertrain Control Module (PCM) supplies a ground to energize the EVAP purge solenoid valve (purge ON). The EVAP purge solenoid control is Pulse Width Modulated (PWM) or turned ON and OFF several times a second. The duty cycle (pulse width) is determined by engine operating conditions including load, throttle position, coolant temperature and ambient temperature. The duty cycle is calculated by the PCM and the output is commanded when the appropriate conditions have been met:

    • Engine coolant temperature above 25°C (77°F).
    • After the engine has been running about 2 1/2 minutes on a cold start or 30 seconds on a warm start.
    • The vehicle is operating in closed loop fuel control.
    Canister purge commanded duty cycle varies according to operating conditions determined by mass air flow, fuel trim, and. intake air temperature. Canister purge will be disabled if TP angle increases to above 70%. Canister purge will be re-enabled when TP angle decreases below 66%.

    The EVAP purge vacuum switch is a normally closed switch positioned in the purge line between the canister and the EVAP purge solenoid. The EVAP purge vacuum switch will open when vacuum increases to greater than 5 inches of water in the purge line. The PCM monitors the EVAP purge vacuum switch signal to determine of the evaporative emission control system is working properly. If the switch is closed (no purge flow) when the PCM is commanding the EVAP purge solenoid ON, DTC P0441 will be set.

    Conditions for Setting the DTC

    • No EVAP Vacuum Switch, TP sensor, IAT sensor, Idle Speed, MAP sensor, or EGR DTCs set.
    • BARO reading is greater than 70 kPa.
    • Engine Coolant Temperature is less than 114°C (237°F).
    • Intake Air Temperature (IAT) sensor indicates an ambient temperature less than 70°C (158°F).
    • The difference between ECT and IAT is less than 10°C (18°F).
    • Engine speed is between 550 rpm and 5000 rpm.
    • TP Sensor Indicates throttle position between 2.5% and 52%.
    • Manifold vacuum is greater than 10 kPa.
    • Canister purge PWM is greater than 75%.
    • EVAP vacuum switch remains closed (12 volts signal at the PCM).
    • Above conditions for longer than 4 seconds.
    Action Taken When the DTC Sets

    • The PCM will illuminate the MIL during the second consecutive trip in which the diagnostic test has been run and failed.
    • The PCM will store conditions which were present when the DTC set as Freeze Frame and Fail Records data.
    Conditions for Clearing the MIL/DTC

    • The PCM will turn the MIL OFF during the third consecutive trip in which the diagnostic has been run and passed.
    • The history DTC will clear after 40 consecutive warm-up cycles have occurred without a malfunction.
    • The DTC can be cleared by using the scan tool Clear Information function or by disconnecting the PCM battery feed.
    Diagnostic Aids

    Check for the following conditions:

    • Poor connection at the PCM - Inspect harness connectors for the following conditions:
    - Backed out terminals.
    - Improper mating.
    - Broken locks.
    - Improperly formed or damaged terminals.
    - Poor terminal to wire connection.
    • Damaged harness
    Inspect the wiring harness for damage
    • If the harness appears to be OK, observe the EVAP vacuum switch display on the scan tool while moving connectors and wiring harnesses related to the sensor. A change in the display will indicate the location of the fault.
    • Faulty or damaged canister
    A faulty canister may intermittenly allow charcoal into the EVAP purge solenoid, vacuum switch, and associated lines causing a DTC to be set. Use the following procedure to check for a carbon release condition:
    1. Turn OFF the ignition switch.
    2. Remove the EVAP purge solenoid. Refer to Evaporative Emission Canister Purge Solenoid .
    3. Remove the EVAP vacuum switch. Refer to Evaporative Emission Vacuum Switch .
    4. Lightly tap the purge solenoid and (if applicable) the vacuum switch on a clean work area looking for carbon particles exiting either of the vacuum ports.
    5. If no carbon release is evident, reinstall the components and continue with the DTC P0441 diagnostic table. If carbon is being released from either component, continue with this service procedure.
    6. Remove the EVAP Canister from the vehicle. Refer to Evaporative Emission Canister Replacement
    7. Ensure that the main cylinder valve is turned off on the J 41413 EVAP purge/pressure diagnostic station.
    8. Disconnect the black hose that connects the nitrogen cylinder to the EVAP purge/pressure diagnostic station at the pressure regulator by unscrewing the knurled nut on the regulator. No tools are required to remove the black hose from the regulator.
    9. Using a section of vacuum line, connect one end over the open threaded fitting of the EVAP purge/pressure diagnostic station pressure regulator.
    10. Connect the remaining end to the purge solenoid end of the EVAP purge line at the vehicle and turn on the main nitrogen cylinder valve. Continue to blow any debris from the purge line for 15 seconds.
    11. Return the EVAP Pressure/Purge Diagnostic Station to its original condition by re-installing the black hose that was disconnected in step 8.
    12. Replace the following components:
    • Replace the EVAP purge solenoid. Refer to Evaporative Emission Canister Purge Solenoid .
    • Replace the EVAP canister. Refer to Evaporative Emission Canister Replacement .
    • Replace the EVAP vacuum switch. Refer to Evaporative Emission Vacuum Switch .
    13. Proceed with the DTC P0441 diagnostic table.
    Review the Fail Records vehicle mileage since the diagnostic test last failed. This may help determine how often the condition that caused the DTC to be set occurs.
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    • #3
      lol, alex. I think that about sums it up!
      -Derek-
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      • #4
        Holy crap! Thats a lot of info. Thank you. Any idea where I should start? Common problem areas maybe? What does an EVAP control solenoid look like?

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        • #5
          lol i didnt even read it. to be honest im not sure on this one. Personally i wouldn't worry about it. But thats just me.
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          • #6
            I would think it would have something to do with my emissions system. Is this the code people get when they install headers?

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            • #7
              well the evap system basicly routes fuel vapor from your tank to a canister and then into your engine, instead of into the air. Its probaly a bad solenoid
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              • #8
                Do I have to drop the tank to get to the solenoid?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by phoenix_rising View Post
                  Do I have to drop the tank to get to the solenoid?
                  On the LS1 car you do cause I remember while doing my swap i had to change the fuel pump and I saw a big canister on the top of my tank and I believe that it would do something with the evap.

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                  • #10
                    no i think its this part
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                    • #11
                      solenoid is on the intake. valve is at the canistor I beleive

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by lozanoa11 View Post
                        no i think its this part
                        Yup that's probably what it is lol cause I also remember by my motor there's a little solenoid that creates the vacuum that's connected to the line that travels to the back canister.

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                        • #13
                          Okey Dokey I think I can handle that Alex. I was really not looking forward to dropping my gas tank.

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                          • #14
                            yea its never fun. btw this stuff is probably copywrited so shhhhh!
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by phoenix_rising View Post
                              Okey Dokey I think I can handle that Alex. I was really not looking forward to dropping my gas tank.
                              Yeah that tank was a pain in the ass with about 6 gallons of fuel in it and me wrestling it back in by myself lol. Friends never arrive on time while on a quick schedule..

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