Meijers builds E85 Filling Stations across MI!

I love Meijers!

Here is a good reason why...

http://www.biofuelreview.com/content/view/308/2/

[JoeliusZ28]

i hate meijer but thats cool

[tenpin842]

wow, not bad, thats pretty neet!

[GETGONE]

I wondered who GM would partner with here in MI for E85 stations. That was one of thier big pushes starting last year was to get more E85 stations out there for the public to use. They built a huge ethanol plant over behind my Cousin's shop in Lake Odessa. I only wish my Sonoma was a year newer and had the E85 option.

[Orange Terror]

I wondered what exactly that place was over there, that's only a few miles from my parent's place.

Most of the meijer stations up here in GR have had E85 for several months.

[GETGONE]

Just looked at that article again and it's dated July 2006. That would explain why they have E85 over here already.

[Formula Z]

im going to have to try that e85 one of these days. my 07 silverado can use it, but havent heard anything good about it.

[MattODoom]

im going to have to try that e85 one of these days. my 07 silverado can use it, but havent heard anything good about it.

For a DD car right now E85 is more expensive per mile then gasoline. The real benefit is that E85, while having less energy per gallon then gasoline (meaning you need to pump more of it into your motor) has an octane rating of !!105!!. Think of the benefits to high compression engines and turbocharged cars...

[Last Chance]

It's not really that sweet, it cost more than reg gas. There is one by my house. It's been there for a while. It probley cost 10-15 cents more than reg.

[DanO]

E85 is a great performance fuel (~100 octane)

poor for fuel enconomy and wallet though, due to much lower afr required (pure ethanol is 9:1 afr vs gas 14.7:1 w/ e85 being closer to pure ethanol)

[GETGONE]

Everyone talks of poorer fuel economy but I have yet to see any hard data proving that. Sport Truck did a test with a new Silverado going from CA to Nevada using regular gas as then repeated the same run with E85 and it actually GAINED 1mpg using the E85. From what I've read most of the information that says it has poorer fuel economy is based on older vehicles that didn't have dual computer tunes for gas and E85. The key is to changing the computer tune when running the E85.

[01WU8]

It's not really that sweet, it cost more than reg gas. There is one by my house. It's been there for a while. It probley cost 10-15 cents more than reg.

We have had E85 at our Meijers here in Holland since the middle of Fall. It runs 10-15 cents cheaper than regular...strange it is more for you...

[MattODoom]

Everyone talks of poorer fuel economy but I have yet to see any hard data proving that. Sport Truck did a test with a new Silverado going from CA to Nevada using regular gas as then repeated the same run with E85 and it actually GAINED 1mpg using the E85. From what I've read most of the information that says it has poorer fuel economy is based on older vehicles that didn't have dual computer tunes for gas and E85. The key is to changing the computer tune when running the E85.

Wade, it comes down to the fuel itself which contains less energy then gasoline per gallon.

E85 has an octane rating of 105, which is higher than typical commercial gasoline mixtures (octane ratings of 85 to 98); however, it does not burn as efficiently in traditionally-manufactured internal-combustion engines. Additionally, E85 contains less energy per volume as compared to gasoline. Although E85 contains only 72% of the energy on a gallon-for-gallon basis compared to gasoline, experimenters have seen slightly better fuel mileage than the 28% this difference in energy content implies. For example, recent tests by the National Renewable Energy Lab on fleet vehicles owned by the state of Ohio showed about a 25% reduction in mpg [1] (see table on pg 5) comparing E85 operation to reformulated gasoline in the same flexible fuel vehicle. Results compared against a gasoline-only vehicle were essentially the same, about a 25% reduction in volumetric fuel economy with E85.

[DanO]

Everyone talks of poorer fuel economy but I have yet to see any hard data proving that. Sport Truck did a test with a new Silverado going from CA to Nevada using regular gas as then repeated the same run with E85 and it actually GAINED 1mpg using the E85. From what I've read most of the information that says it has poorer fuel economy is based on older vehicles that didn't have dual computer tunes for gas and E85. The key is to changing the computer tune when running the E85.

I dont know how they pulled that off... i'd have to see it to be convinced, but its very likely skewed data.

The reason it gets less MPG is due to the energy content per gallon. E85 has less energy per gallon than regular gasoline. If a vehicle requires a certain amount of energy to drive then you need to burn a certain amount of fuel to release that energy.

I can get into more detail, but the fact of the matter is, E85 will decrease MPG.

However, due to the lower AFR, you can burn more fuel per air mass and have a higher octane, thus its an excellent performance fuel!! You'll just need bigger pumps.

[buttons]

Ive heard great things about e85. first it supports the american economy and reduces our dependence on the middle east/south america etc etc. 2nd its suppose to be cheaper or equivalent to 87 octane gas in cost while supplying us with a high octane fuel. I dont care if i lose 4-5 mpg if i pick up 20-30hp and paying 87 octane prices. Currently I think its $2.64 a gallon while premium 93 is $3.03 its worth 100+ octane so i can run more timing.

Im really geeked about it, but im not going to be using it anytime soon. Maybe my next car purchase will be e85 compatible, ive been considering a silverado...