stall adn gear setup quetion{s}???

Sup guys Im curretntly running a stock stall and GM 3.73 gear. I have a GM 4.10 lieing in myr oom along wiht a Vigilante 3k stall which I both got used but are in great condition. I also have another guy form another froum wanting to trade me a 3800 TCI street fighter stall brand new for the my 3k Vig. because he wants a lower stalll and have it rebuilt for a high nitrous setup and the TCI wotn allow him to do so. My question is what is the better setup for what I want. Of course I want better times, but I still wnat good streetablity but I dotn want to be loosing gobs of pwer at the ground.

-3k stall w/ 3.73
-3k stall w/ 4.10
-3800 stall w/ 3.73
-3800 stall w/ 4.10
-or what I dotn want and keep it the way I have it

What is the better setup for better times and more power to the groudn with good streetability? For whichever you help me with please explain why you say it. Im still somewhat of a noob about stall converters as of yet. Im still learning on how exactly they work so if you could help me with that id appreciate that too. I just know they are well worth the $ upgrades. Thanx for the help guys. Oh also does anyone know where I can get a vetter servo for my car if so let me know thanx.

[wasjo6431]

street ability 3800 with 3.73 for track 3800 with 4.10 with a 305 or bigger Drag radial

[LS1Formulation]

You do NOT want a 4.10 gear in an automatic car with stock size tires. For one thing, your overall first gear ratio will be so steep it'll be useless on the street. Secondly, you'll have to shift into overdrive before the end of the quarter mile. When you have an LS1, you don't need to gear it up with a stall. For instance, a 2.73 geared LS1 will be within a tenth of a 3.73 geared LS1 using a 3800 stall converter. Therefore, if you want the higher stall, keep the gears. I myself wouldn't trade a Vig for a TCI converter EVER. You won't be happy with the results. They're not as quality of a piece. If you do anything, pull out the Vig and get it restalled.

[DETROITMUSCLE]

Stick with the VIG seeing as its definatly a better converter and 3.73s in an auto is enough.

[firehawknwv]

Im not runing a complete stock tire size. The car is programmes for my 17's and I did this after the cam install in June of last summer. The car came with 16's 235/50's . I run my stock 16's in the winter with 245/45's. I run my 17's in the spring/summer with 275/40's. So you guys are saying to keep the 3.73's and put in the Vig. 3k stall?

[firehawknwv]

I may not have the money to restall the 3k Vig. I do know that vigs are better quality than the TCI's. So Ive thought about keeping it more so than trading it. So keeping the vig. 3k wiht my current 3.73's would be a better setup for power and times as to go with the bigger setup on my car.

[DETROITMUSCLE]

Well seeing as you still drive the car on the street that seems like the best setup IMO.

[firehawknwv]

So then forget about trading for the 3800 and sell the 4.10's i guess lol. I did think the 4.10s woudl give more power in the lower end.

[00firebird]

3k stall is fine

[DETROITMUSCLE]

The 4.10s may make the car slightly quicker down low but thats very limited by traction which you won't have to begine with unless your running a nice DR or slick and they are not a good choice for a street car IMO.

[TA Jay]

haha, ahh how i love converters. I have a vig3200 STR 2.5

Vig's do not flash at what they "say" they will. expect 3-4hundreds higher. I have seen mine bang at 3800....and bang is what it did. I blew the living shit out of my rear with my stall and ran a 2.8 60ft at milan.
One good dig and i completely blew it to pieces. I would pik your weapon of choice wisely. If your running a cam I would get that vig re-stalled for YOUR setup. that stall isnt worth a shit to an LS1 with internals. That stall, in stock form is good for a mildly modded LS1 (no internals). What will happen is the power of the motor will push the flash of the converter higher, and it shouldnt. It should flash 32/3300 and go but more power could push a 3k stall upwards of 3800.

The looseness is nice, and mine is pretty loose. A stall lockups based on the misfires of a motor. I can get mine to lockup at 20mph...it may take minute and suck some gas but it will lock. Also, you need to install at the LEAST a 28,000GVW (i thin kthis is the biggest you can get thatw ill fit infront of the radiator) tranny cooler and fan switch. With out either of those you will be FUKT. Also, put in a trans temp guage....it is a must have. they should sell them with the dam converter. Its a really easy install, threads right into a port where they test tranny pressure.

Gearing, I have 323's. Thats a a perfect gear for a stall. If i went to 373 or 410s I would tighten it up (take away the looseness) of the stall. Loose is how much peddle you need to get the car going.

SO, I would get the vig restalled bcuz it will not function the way you are hoping it will, get some LCA's, decent tires, trans cooler, trans temp guage, fan switch....hit the gas and you pray you dont blow the glass rear ends we have!!!

[firehawknwv]

TAJay thanx for hte advice but keep in mind that Im running a v6 bird not a LS1. I already have a trans teamp gauge that I installed over 2 years ago. I will be getting a tranny cooler as well when I do the install. Im not making big power on the ground at least not much more than 200 so my rear should be fine with this install.

[JoeliusZ28]

3k stall with a 3.73 will be a great combo for a v6

[TA Jay]

TAJay thanx for hte advice but keep in mind that Im running a v6 bird not a LS1. I already have a trans teamp gauge that I installed over 2 years ago. I will be getting a tranny cooler as well when I do the install. Im not making big power on the ground at least not much more than 200 so my rear should be fine with this install.

V6!! is that your ride in the avatar/sig? o man i wish i would knew that. Well, it doesnt matter the power you make. The STR will determine the "kick to the rear. The STR is the torque multiplication rate. So when my torque spikes it can be multiplied by 2.5 (STR 2.5) to measure the hit it takes. I would say 2.0STR would be more than enough with a 3k stall. Remember the Vig's flash higher...so expect 3300 which is alot for a V6. Although the rule of thumb for EVER converter purchase is pick the one you want and get the next one bigger. You will want more stall for sure once you hit the street.

[AJ 87SC]

With the 6 you have to keep the 3.73 and the 3,000
3800 you might have passed your peak torque in that motor...
Also the 4.10 is too much for an auto if you drive it on the street, thats for sure....It will beat up your motor revving it so high so much....