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  • Stereo gremlin??

    Looking for ideas here.

    Around spring last year i re-did the wiring on my stereo because it was very poorly done, and also removed the two front speakers. I have only been using the 2 rear speakers ever since. I did this for weight reduction purposes and because 2 were perfectly adequate anyway. Everything was great at first but over the course of the summer a problem developed where once in a while no sound would come out of the speakers at all upon turning it on. There was a faint "crackle" through the speakers when turning the head unit on whenever this happened. Other times it would turn on and play music perfectly normal. Gradually this problem got worse, until it reached the point that it would never work. This is what I am guessing is a 15 year old Alpine head unit, and after talking to a few people about the problem consensus was that the amp must be going bad.

    Fast forward to today. Bought a brand new Pioneer head unit and installed it. Wouldnt you know it, same problem. No sound from the speakers at all, and the same faint crackle turning the head unit on.

    Obviously, it must be a wiring issue some where. But where that would be I am stumped. I have proper soldered connections everywhere. I have also double and triple checked that the wires for the non-existent front speakers are not making contact with anything and thus grounding out the system.

    Does anyone know if modern stereos are not designed to only work with 1 set of speakers? Is this what is causing the problem? That is the only thing that has really changed since the problem started however it worked flawlessly that way for at least a month. I am going to pull the rear speakers and check those connections again just to make sure nothing is up. (already did once before i bought the head unit) Any input/ideas/prior experience would be much appreciated - i like listening to music!!
    Last edited by JoeliusZ28; January 21st, 2012, 07:31 PM.
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  • #2
    Well now i just went back outside and the stereo fired up on first try. Turned it on and off several times and couldnt replicate the problem. I am stumped but I am guessing I have not seen the end of this yet so leaving this open for ideas. At least we are back up to a part time status as opposed to not working at all though
    Last edited by JoeliusZ28; January 21st, 2012, 08:16 PM.
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    1984 Scottsdale K10 - 305/4bbl/4spd


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    • #3
      did you run your own speaker wires? bose?

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      • #4
        Its the factory speaker wire harness. my car had the basic 4 speaker delco originally, no bose.
        -Joel
        1995 Z28 M6 - AI226/234 - autocross ricer
        1984 Scottsdale K10 - 305/4bbl/4spd


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        • #5
          I am going to try these troubleshooting steps next:

          1) change the rear speakers to see if a bad speaker is triggering a protected mode.

          2) put a direct ground strap direct to the harness. The current ground is part of the existing speaker harness and i have no idea where that goes.
          -Joel
          1995 Z28 M6 - AI226/234 - autocross ricer
          1984 Scottsdale K10 - 305/4bbl/4spd


          WTB List:Midwest Chasis DS Loop

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          • #6
            The speakers are not grounded. The 2 wires from the amp are + and - . the - is not frame ground. The speakers get their (grd) from the head unit its more of a neutral. I would measure the speaker outputs at the head unit harness on the plug side going to speakers. Check for continuity to each speaker and no continuity to grd.
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            • #7
              I'd start with checking the factory wiring and make sure the wires didnt get cut or kinked and isnt causing a problem that way. Its obviously either in your speakers or in the wiring from the head unit to the speakers.

              BTW what head unit did you buy? I am in the market for one
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              • #8
                Well it ended up being the ground in the factory wire harness. I ran my own ground strap direct to the chasis and havent had a problem since. Darren i think the head unit is a pioneer deh-3300ub, but i will double check that. It was $100 at best buy. Very happy with it. I also upgraded to two alpine component speakers in the back and it screams now!
                -Joel
                1995 Z28 M6 - AI226/234 - autocross ricer
                1984 Scottsdale K10 - 305/4bbl/4spd


                WTB List:Midwest Chasis DS Loop

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                • #9
                  $100 that's it? Ie even looking for a decent deck. I'll head to best buy and check them out.
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                  Originally posted by meissen
                  I actually agree with Darren on everything he said...
                  Originally posted by 81DaytonaPaceCar
                  Yep, pretty much...not too often I agree 100% with Darren, but there it is...


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                  • #10
                    no pics in this thread. fail.

                    glad you got some tunes now. Love the hell out of the Bose in my car.
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                    • #11
                      I dont know if this helps but i had bose. I completely removed all the stock wiring besides the ignition 12 volt and the constant 12 volt and ran all new speaker wire's and the ground. And wired my aftermarket pioneer harness in the stock harness's place. Before i did this i had a problem with the stock harness messing with my pioneer radio and the afermarket kenwood speakers. Ever since i bypassed all the bose wires i have not had a single problem. I know you didnt have bose but i would just bypass all the stock speaker wires and run new and i bet that will fix your problem.

                      **edit nvm just seen that u figured out it was the ground lol
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                      • #12
                        since you figured out your issues, i'm stealing the thread! my aftermarket cd player doesnt hold my pre sets etc. every time power is turned off, it loses all my settings, time etc. how do i figure out how to fix it?
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                        • #13
                          Jeremy, the yellow wire in your deck harness isn't hooked to 12v constant.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by hoogiesngrinderz View Post
                            Jeremy, the yellow wire in your deck harness isn't hooked to 12v constant.
                            how do i find the 12V constant?
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                            • #15
                              It's really hard to mess it up if the adapter harness is used, might be a blown fuse.

                              Use a multimeter and ground the negative while probing each terminal to see which one gives you a +12v reading when the key is in he off position. That is you 12v constant.

                              1998 Camaro Z28 - Bright Red, 6.0 TR224, 4l60e, 3.42 Eaton TrueTrac
                              1989 Camaro IROC-Z Convertible - 355 big tube TPI, WC T5, 3.42 Zexel Torsen, CTS-V/C4 brakes
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