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    Legal spat could delay GM's new Camaro


    Nicolas Van Praet, Financial Post

    Published: Friday, October 17, 2008
    A legal spat between a General Motors Corp. supplier and a toolmaker could threaten the production launch next year of the automaker's Canadian-built Camaro sports car.

    Cadence Innovation LLC is suing H. S. Die & Engineering Inc. over tools it needs to manufacture parts for GM's upcoming Camaro. The two-door coupe is a remake of the classic muscle car and one GM is counting on to help rekindle buyer interest in its lineup.

    "It's a car they're really pushing to launch and bring back some of the shine to the Chevrolet name brand," said Jim Gillette, director of supplier analysis at CSM Worldwide. "H. S. is probably holding all the cards right now."

    H. S. Die is demanding full cash payment before it hands over the tools and, as a result, is breaching its contract, Cadence said in a lawsuit filed on Tuesday with the U. S. Bankruptcy Court in Wilmington, Del.
    Cadence counters that it is under no obligation to pay for the tools until 60 days after the car has been fully assembled and GM has approved the parts. It said that won't happen "for many months."

    Without the tools, Cadence can't make and supply General Motors with the parts required for the launch of the Camaro, and the car can't be made, Cadence said in its lawsuit. The suit states that H. S. Die's refusal to turn over the tools could delay production of the vehicles by months if Cadence is forced to scramble to find an alternative sub-supplier.

    GM is slated to build the Camaro at its plant in Oshawa, Ont. The car will undergo pre-production tests this year, with first deliveries expected next February. A GM spokesman could not be reached yesterday to comment.
    Troy, Mich.-based Cadence filed for bankruptcy protection in the United States on Aug. 26, citing "collapsing revenue and material costs increasing at double digit rates" for its decision. Cadence said at the time it did not expect any disruption to the flow of product to its customers and that it intended to fund onging operations from debtor-in-possession financing used to supplement its working capital. It makes instrument panels, consoles and cockpits, among other products.

    Grand Rapids, Mich.-based H. S. Die is likely worried about Cadence's ability to pay under the circumstances, Mr. Gillette said. It could ask GM to guarantee payment for the tools.

    The Camaro situation adds further trouble for Canada's auto manufacturing industry, already under pressure from a rapid sales slide in the United States. Yesterday, Ford Motor Co. laid off 125 factory workers at its Oakville, Ont., assembly complex after it failed to get enough employees to take buyouts. Ford was targeting "upwards of 500 people" to leave to convert the plant back to two shifts, said company spokesman Kerri Stoakley.

    "There will be further retrenchment in Ontario [at facilities of the Detroit-based automakers]," Kam Hon, an analyst at DBRS, said yesterday. "[But] they're not going to withdraw totally."

    nvanpraet@nationalpost.com
    http://autos.canada.com/news/story.h...a-0b32f2efb5ed
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    I suppose its cool that the factory is in Grand Rapids, but the launch of the 5th gen needs to be 100% flawless. Im quite excited to see comericals everywhere, and have excitment in the air. Hopefully the economy picks up too.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by nascarnate326 View Post
      I suppose its cool that the factory is in Grand Rapids, but the launch of the 5th gen needs to be 100% flawless. Im quite excited to see comericals everywhere, and have excitment in the air. Hopefully the economy picks up too.
      What Factory are you talking about?

      The factory thats going to build the Camaro is in Oshawa Canada.

      H. S. Die in Grand Rapids, Mich. is making Tooling for parts to be made by Cadence Innovation of troy for the new Camaro.
      Western Michigan Camaro Club ~ President
      1987 Camaro IROC-Z Pearl White & Black w/ Red Pearl, 355 TPI, A4, 3:42, AirRide,"GOMARO"
      2017 Silverado Double Cab Z71 Pepperdust Metallic, 5.3, A6, 3:42, "SASYZ71"
      2005 Pontiac Grand Prix GT White, 3800
      WMCC Website www.wmcamaro.org

      "A government big enough to give you everything you want,
      is strong enough to take everything you have." — Thomas Jefferson

      "Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who
      are willing to work and give to those who would not."
      Thomas Jefferson

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      • #4
        HS Die is a great shop. I've worked with them many times on other GM programs and I am guessing that GM is probably trying to screw them. As a former GM supplier I know that on each program GM would come up with new ways to delay the payment of tools. I think it's great that HS has enough balls (and other business) to do what every other supplier has wanted to do for years...tell GM (and the other OEM's) to get screwed.

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        • #5
          is that right on lake michigan drive or do they have more locations?
          -Joel
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          • #6
            Originally posted by WMCC Gary View Post
            What Factory are you talking about?

            The factory thats going to build the Camaro is in Oshawa Canada.

            H. S. Die in Grand Rapids, Mich. is making Tooling for parts to be made by Cadence Innovation of troy for the new Camaro.

            Ya and if HS Die(a factory of sorts) cant make their parts, Oshawa cant make Camaro's.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by JoeliusZ28 View Post
              is that right on lake michigan drive or do they have more locations?
              They have 2 buildings on Lake Mich Dr and they have one near Walker and 3 mile. I think they might have one more small building but the main office / shop is the one you can see on Lake Mich Dr.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by nascarnate326 View Post
                Ya and if HS Die(a factory of sorts) cant make their parts, Oshawa cant make Camaro's.
                Don't get me started on Oshawa...eh

                I pretty much lived there from Nov '07 thru March '08. I am conviced that it is the worst assembly plant (hardest to deal with) out of all the OEM's. It is the only plant within GM that has there own design staff because no one at Warren wants to deal with them.

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                • #9
                  Way to go HS!


                  Never did like that place anyways!
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                  • #10
                    Well, now that's a disgusting development. Hmmmmmmmm ........
                    RIP Doug,You will always be remembered
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                    • #11
                      None of this is really new...happens all the time...especially in the last 2 years.

                      The only way GM does not get it's tools is if they (being GM) really do want to delay the launch. Which is entirely possible, as I'm certain this is not the only snafu happening in the background...this is just the most visible.

                      But both Cadence and HS just made GM's black list...neither one of them will see another GM tool until they buy their way back into GM's good graces (literally).

                      It will launch if GM wants it to.
                      Originally posted by Redd8407
                      I WANT NOISE! SPEED! AN ENGINE THAT SHAKES MY INTERNAL ORGANS LIKE THEY GOT PARKINSON'S! I DONT WANT AN ENGINE THAT IS PARTIALLY POWERED BY MY LAPTOP BATTERY!
                      Originally posted by Z28ISGR8
                      WHY THE F*CK IS THERE A GOAT ON A FERRARI?
                      Originally posted by Darren
                      I think it is because I take it in and out all the time, the rubber has just stretched out, especially at the bottom where it is really thin. It annoys me more then anything.

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