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  • Might as well plan on buying a Camaro.

    So I read this today on LS1tech. Depressing, very depressing.

    http://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=862714

    AutoNews - Firebird Will Not Be Resurrected With Camaro
    B-P-G: No Trans Am for Pontiac



    Jamie LaReau
    Automotive News
    February 11, 2008 - 9:55 pm ET

    Buick, Pontiac and GMC dealers will get 12 new or special-edition vehicles over the next 20 months — but they won't get a Pontiac Trans Am.

    Pontiac had lobbied for a sibling vehicle to the Chevrolet Camaro, which is scheduled to arrive in February 2009.

    General Motors' plan to make Pontiac a rear-wheel-drive performance car division is likely to be scaled back because of fuel economy regulations, GM leaders told dealers at the make meeting.

    One dealer said the business case for the Trans Am didn't compute.

    "It was an economic situation," said Lynn Thompson, owner of Thompson Motor Sales in Springfield, Mo. "It would cost $200 million to bring out the vehicle."

    Pontiac will remain a car-only brand for the foreseeable future, dealers were told. But because of new legislation requiring vehicles to reach a fleet average of 35 mpg by 2020, Pontiac might not end up as GM's performance division, dealers said they were told.

    "The plan is being tweaked because of the gas situation," Thompson said. "I hope they don't give up on performance because they don't have to. You can use four-cylinder engines to achieve incredible power."

    B-P-G will give dealers six new or special-edition vehicles — such as the special-edition GMC Sierra pickup, called Pro Grade — this year. They will get another six next year, dealers who attended the meeting told Automotive News.

    Executives also told dealers GM will build nearly 55,000 Buick Enclave crossovers this year. Dealers said Jim Bunnell, head of Buick-Pontiac-GMC, told them GM increased Enclave production by 41 percent from the initial production plan. A dealer said Bunnell told them Buick built 6,400 Enclaves in January, and then added, "But it's still not enough."

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    I dont think this is new news? Hard for the camaro to compete with other sports cars let alone having in house competition.
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    • #3
      ...though it always had in-house competition.

      Then again, back in the day, people were cool and drove cool cars.

      ...now everyone (except all of us) ****s trees, and suck at driving.
      Gone but not forgotten: 1986 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z

      "You shall ride eternal. Shiny and chrome."

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      • #4
        It's understandable from a business point of view, especially with the new CAFE crap. It's better that it stays dead rather than be resurrected as some weak ass grocery getter or something.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MP81 View Post
          ...though it always had in-house competition.
          Thats one reason why sale numbers have been low and why gm decided to put all its eggs in this basket
          2011 Ford Raptor SuperCrew
          SVT Beadlock Wheels
          Roush Intake, Corsa Exhaust
          20" and 40" Light Bars

          2000 Camaro Z28
          Stripped Down Drag Car Build

          Project 1999 Camaro Z28


          2009 G8 GT Stryker Blue Metallic-SHEGONE
          Crate LS3, LS9 Cam, LSA Supercharger, Metco Solid Isolator
          RotoFab Intake, HSRK, Camaro Trans Pan
          ZL1 HX, ZL1 Fuel Pump, CTS-V Lid, LSA Injectors
          Pat G - 93 Octane Tune
          Kooks 1-7/8" Longtubes, High Flow Cats, X Pipe, Solo AxleBacks
          CTS-V Calipers, Brembo Pads
          H&R Lowering Springs, Whiteline Bushings, FE3 Struts/Shocks, Camaro 20" Wheels
          HIDs, LED Conversion, Atari Gauges, Tint, Roof Carbon Fiber Wrapped, Innovative Wideband

          2.55 Lingenfelter Pulley and Injectors waiting to go on!
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          • #6
            Atleast one is coming back!

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            • #7
              I think this is what many of us have expected for a long time, its just so hard to believe that there will be no more birds!

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              • #8
                It doesn't mention firebirds it just says no Trans Am, and anyone that thought the trans am was coming back is border line space cadet. Sorry to be rude and to the point but its been discussed many times that GM had to pay way too much in royalties to use that name. If anything TA would be a much better choice. I wouldnt count out a badge engineered Firebird coming back, just dont expect a platform mate like the 4th gens. Lately it seems if people ***** loud enough, they get what they want.

                Personally, I bet firebird comes back as a turbo v6. Or they will turn the G6 into firebird when it goes rwd. Pontiac has to have 2 door rwd car if not kill the brand, not like its been too exciting lately.


                Edit: and I hope no one takes that dealer seriously. 200 million to bring the car out? And he would know how? Hopefully the Camaro's advertising budget is about 200 million....
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                • #9
                  Id prefer the firebird and trans ams to be dead, it makes mine worth more to be the last gen

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                  • #10
                    nascarnate326 wow you sound like you know what your talking about, do you like work for Pontiac or something? cause thats all imaginable

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                    • #11
                      im really getting annoyed, all these companies blaming not having certain cars because of regulations that need to take place by 2020, ok.. we are in 2008 right now. They can come up with some efficient cars to put out when they have to in 2020 but why do they all feel they need to scale back TODAY in 2008, last i checked that is 12 years away yet..
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                      • #12
                        Ben has finally accepted reality..... This is old news buddy.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by WMCCjames View Post
                          Ben has finally accepted reality..... This is old news buddy.
                          Very old news...the Firebird or any other derivitive is not in anybody's plans...
                          Originally posted by Redd8407
                          I WANT NOISE! SPEED! AN ENGINE THAT SHAKES MY INTERNAL ORGANS LIKE THEY GOT PARKINSON'S! I DONT WANT AN ENGINE THAT IS PARTIALLY POWERED BY MY LAPTOP BATTERY!
                          Originally posted by Z28ISGR8
                          WHY THE F*CK IS THERE A GOAT ON A FERRARI?
                          Originally posted by Darren
                          I think it is because I take it in and out all the time, the rubber has just stretched out, especially at the bottom where it is really thin. It annoys me more then anything.

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                          • #14
                            Tell you the truth if I can't get a new firebird I will probably just buy an older one or buy a mopar. At least they will give you what you want. Right Jeff? Go 2012 Cuda Vert!

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                            • #15
                              Still a good plan.
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